If true,..indeed a bombshell...(about ONE-HALF of the claims..entirely false or..exaggerated

Insigt Scoop.com ^ | 01-02-11 | posted by Carl Olson

[Salvation]

If true, this is indeed a bombshell...

Dave Pierre, the author of the book, Double Standard: Abuse Scandals and the Attack on the Catholic Church, reports the following on his site, TheMediaReport.com:

In a stunning ten-page declaration recently submitted to the Los Angeles County Superior Court, veteran attorney Donald H. Steier stated that his investigations into claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have uncovered vast fraud and that his probes have revealed that many accusations are completely false.

Counselor Steier has played a role in over one hundred investigations involving Catholic clergy in Los Angeles. In his missive Mr. Steier relayed, "One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse" (capital letters are his).

Mr. Steier also added, "In several cases my investigation has provided objective information that could not be reconciled with the truthfulness of the subjective allegations. In other words, in many cases objective facts showed that accusations were false."

Mr. Steier's declaration is a stunner. He is as experienced as anyone in studying the claims of abuse against Catholic clergy in the Los Angeles area.

Pierre has several quotes from Steier declaration, as well as links to images of the declaration. Pierre further notes:

Steier also took aim at the outspoken advocacy group SNAP (Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests):

They maintain an interactive Internet website with a user 'Forum' and 'Message Board,' among other features, where people can share detailed information between alleged victims pertaining to identity of specific alleged perpetrators, their alleged 'modus operandi,' and other details of alleged molestation. In effect, a person who wanted to make a false claim of sexual abuse by a priest could go to that website and find a 'blueprint' of factual allegations to make that would coincide with allegations made by other people. Law enforcement also uses the S.N.A.P. website to attempt to locate new victims and allegations against Catholic priests.

Needless to say, SNAP had a fit at the sight of Steier's declaration. In a frantic press statement dated December 13, 2010, SNAP derided Steier's declaration as a "legal maneuver" that was "among the most outrageous and hurtful ever made by a church defense lawyer." In addition to claiming it will file a complaint with the California Bar Association, it demanded that Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony "denounce Steier's claims and to disclose how much archdiocesan money has been paid to Steier." (Gee, the last time I checked, SNAP steadfastly refused to divulge how much of its income is derived from the number of lawyers with whom it closely corroborates!)

Read the entire post for more.

[Salvation]

Is the truth starting to leak out?

I have said previously that I know of several clergy abuse accusations that I knew were false.

Anyone else?

[Salvation]

Catholic Discussion Ping!

[Keith in Iowa]

So... of 10 allegations, 5 are false/exaggerated... that means there’s still 5 that are true, when there should be zero, and the church is/was lax in dealing with it.

[ClearCase_guy]

Back in the 1980's it seemed common for women to "realize" (thanks to their therapists) that their fathers had sexually abused them. Turns out most of this was bosh, but it did a lot of damage.

The clergy is being attacked in the same way.

On the flip side, Clinton raped and abused women, but the Left didn't see anything wrong with it.

The "sex positive" crowd seems to take advantage of these claims in several ways. Their friends can be defended with a "nuts and sluts" defense, and their enemies can be destroyed with a "sexual assault is never OK" attack strategy.

[Salvation]

Perhaps you are not aware of how the seminaries were visited by committees from the Pope and cleaned up. The seminarian now undergoes a two day psche exam, a week of interviews, lots of personal references, etc. If anything at all shows up strange the applicant to the seminary is refused.

I agree that even five out of ten is too many. More for you in the next post.

[pyx]

Lawyers thieving and lying !

Oh my ! < /feigned surprise

[Salvation]

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Teacher's Advocacy of Pedophilia Raises Legal Questions

Teachers and Pedophilia - In YOUR Backyard

Washington Post -- D.C. school officials reported 220 abuse allegations against teachers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

 

[Salvation]

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.

[freekitty]

It doesn’t surprise me.

[Salvation]

Ambulandce chasing attorneys for sure!

Will they pay for it on judgment day?

[Keith in Iowa]

1 abused kid is one too many, and I don’t care who’s doing it. The perps need to rot in prison. Along with anyone that aids and abets cover-ups.

[Rashputin]

Of course at least half of the claims are false, just like all those black folks who were deprived of their chance to be a farmer once someone said there was a large sum of money to be passed out among those so deprived. Wait til’ they figure the Catholic Church is milked dry. Then every Protestant church with a building worth a few bucks will have the same or similar claims made against it.

My guess is there will be the same charges along with heterosexual abuse charges against the Protestants, though, since they don't have the same restrictions on the clergy. It's funny to watch Protestants carry torches and pitchforks right along with the gays and atheists who are out to get the Catholic Church. I say that as a Protestant waiting to see how shocked and upset those same people are when they're the ones in the cross hairs.

[marktwain]

“that means there’s still 5 that are true”

No it does not! Simply because five out of ten can be proved to be false does not mean that the other five are true.

The standard is supposed to be innocent until *proved* guilty, but in the politically correct world of alleged child molestation by Catholic priests, they are considered guilty until overwhelming proof of innocence is obtained.

[jiminycricket000]

"Counselor Steier has played a role in over one hundred investigations involving Catholic clergy in Los Angeles. In his missive Mr. Steier relayed, "One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse" (capital letters are his)."

Duh! Once word got out there were millions of dollars in payouts to be had simply by accusing a priest of sexual abuse every scumbag from hades came scampering out of their holes to grab a scumbag lawyer and make the abuse claim, then gather up the dough. The Catholic Church doesn't know how to protect itself from this stuff, priests are certainly among the most forgiving, loving men on earth; forgiveness, mercy and love is what they are all about. How hard is it to attack such men, and the Church itself? In any case, this whole debacle was about HOMOSEXUAL PERVERSION, AND NOTHING ELSE. Anyone who truly followed this travesty could not help but notice that the vast majority of the plaintiffs were males, and almost every one of them was a post pubescent, (sexually mature), boy, from the ages of 12 to 17. The media is swirling with homosexual perverts, so they labeled every single charge to be a case of "pedophilia". Almost none of the actual cases met the criteria for pedophilia, but they did meet the criteria for NAMBLA.

The Church's big mistake was in allowing these base people into the seminaries.

Back in 1961 Pope John XXIII wrote an Apostolic Letter to the bishops of the world, declaring that homosexuals have a harder time controlling their lusts than do normal men, hence they should not be allowed into the seminaries. But that letter was ignored because Vatican II swept over the Catholic Church in a luciferian attempt to "protestantize" the Church, (to liberalize her, in order to gain a more favorable opinion from the world, which thought of the RCC as 'ancient'). The Church did perfectly well in her 'ancient', (traditional), ways. Liberalism has destroyed just about every last vestage of decency on earth. But the ending to this story is a good one, we Christians know Who wins the final, decisive battle.

[hinckley buzzard]

Precise facts are about impossible, but the history of exploitation of abuse claims when big money is involved is a fact beyond doubt. Add in the pathology of greedy homosexuals seeking money to buy that sanfransicko townhouse, and the church's fate is sealed, pending arrival of the truth squads.

[Bodleian_Girl]

Sadly enough, the fact that the current Pope and the legal offices of the Vatican have done so much to try and hide the true facts means that there are actually MANY MORE cases that we’ll never know about.

[dila813]

No, I think it is more likely 1 out of 100 of the claims were valid.

The ones that are most likely to be true are those related to homosexual encounters because traditionally the Catholic church has tried to keep men and women separated.

In all my years, I don’t think I can remember an instance where a male at any position was left alone in a room with a female. Maybe that was just the churches I attended, but I really believe that was quite common.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

This lawyer is a whore for Mahoney and the LA archdiocese:

Steier’s legal maneuver is the latest in a long series of moves by him and Catholic officials to block the disclosure of thousands of pages of long-secret files concerning hundreds of LA-area child molesting clerics.

The motion was filed in a case called Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles et al. v. Superior Court of Los Angeles County et al, # B227743, 2nd District, Division 8, overseen by Judge Emilie H. Elias.

...Mahony will be deposed in California later this month in a pending civil suit involving Fr. Michael E. Kelly (CV035092). For months, Mahony’s lawyers fought to prevent the deposition, claiming he’s a “corporate president.” Three weeks ago, Judge Elizabeth Humphreys denied Mahony’s request.

Sorry, but don't get your hopes up based on Mahoney's laplawyers.

I've personally known multiple victims as well as multiple priests accused of abuse. Of the multiple examples of each, I only know of one priest who was falsely accused, and only two accusers who were obviously lying.

And of the priests who were accused of homosexual molestation, all were guilty as charged.

[johngrace]

It's terrible either way. The devil inspires a lot of damage.

I remember when I hung out at bars. I over heard someone talking about setting up a priest if he could go all the way to prove. I told him I will remmeber his name. It was like some men wanted to take advantage of a drunken woman. I have talked people out of it. Just what a crazy world.

Jesus help us!

AMEN=So Be It!

[hinckley buzzard]

You are right of course that one abused kid is one too many. The fact is, most of the actual victims in the church scandals were sexually mature teenagers seduced by homosexual priests. Bad stuff but very different from the child-molesting pedophile stereotype. For one thing it is so prevalent in the homosexual community that it is almost impossible to discover before the fact.