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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

By Elder Dennis B. Neuenschwander Of the Seventy

 

 

 

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22

Adapted from a presentation to the Seventy.

 

 

 

In the Doctrine and Covenants we read that Joseph Smith was “called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ” (D&C 20:2). The call of an Apostle is first to witness or testify of Jesus Christ. Old Testament prophets testified of His coming. The New Testament Apostles bore personal witness of Christ’s being and of the absolute reality of His Resurrection. This apostolic witness was the basis of their teaching. “Ye shall be witnesses unto me” (Acts 1:8) was Jesus’s instruction to the original Twelve. Peter testified on the day of Pentecost to the Jews who had gathered “out of every nation” (Acts 2:5) that “this Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses” (Acts 2:32). Similarly, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that Jesus “was seen of me also” (1 Corinthians 15:8). The sure witness of Christ’s being and the reality of His Resurrection is the first pillar of apostolic testimony.

The second pillar is centered on the Savior’s redemptive and saving power. Peter teaches that to the Lord “give all the Prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43).

Without these twin pillars of testimony concerning Christ, there could be no Apostle. Such testimonies are born of experience, divine command, and instruction. For example, Luke writes that Christ showed Himself to the Apostles “alive after his passion … being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3).

How does the Prophet Joseph Smith fit into these apostolic requirements? The answer is “Perfectly.”

The First Vision

Joseph Smith’s apostolic instruction began in 1820. Pondering the questions of religion, he soon found that there was no way to reason or argue one’s opinion to an authoritative conclusion concerning the correctness of the various churches or their doctrines. Short of a divine manifestation, young Joseph could add only one more opinion to the already existing “war of words and tumult of opinions” (Joseph Smith—History 1:10). But Joseph’s questions on religion were answered by the personal and physical manifestation of God the Father and His divine and living Son, Jesus Christ—an experience referred to as the First Vision.

Like that of the original Apostles, Joseph’s experience with Deity was direct and personal. There was no need for the opinion of others or the deliberations of a council to define what he saw or what it came to mean to him. Joseph’s vision was at first an intensely personal experience—an answer to a specific question. Over time, however, illuminated by additional experience and instruction, it became the founding revelation of the Restoration.

As apostolic as this manifestation of Christ’s being, existence, and Resurrection was to Joseph Smith, it was not the only thing Jesus wanted to teach him. The boy Joseph’s first lesson arose from the manifestation of Christ’s absolute, omnipotent, and divine power. Joseph learned firsthand at least one meaning of the redeeming and saving power of Christ when he prayed in the grove. As he began to pray, “Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction” (Joseph Smith—History 1:15). With every bit of energy Joseph had, he began to call upon God to deliver him from the grasp of this enemy.

“At the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction … , I saw a pillar of light. …

“It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17).

Joseph Smith’s confrontation with the adversary is reminiscent of an experience Moses had, about which the Prophet would learn some few years later. Unlike the boy Joseph, however, Moses saw God’s greatness first and then was confronted with the power of the adversary before being delivered from his influence. (See Moses 1.)

The difference in the order of events is significant. Moses was already far into maturity and had much knowledge and influence prior to this event. By displaying His magnificent power to Moses before he faced the adversary, the Lord helped Moses put his life into perspective. After experiencing God’s glory, Moses said, “Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed” (Moses 1:10). This incident enabled Moses to withstand the temptations of the adversary that followed.

Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was an inexperienced young man, who in his lifetime would repeatedly face adversarial power and the overwhelming problems it brings. By facing the adversary first, then being saved from his assault by the appearance of the Father and the Son, Joseph learned this indelible lesson: as great as the power of evil might be, it must always withdraw with the appearance of righteousness.

This lesson was critical in Joseph’s apostolic education. He needed this knowledge not only because of the personal trials that lay ahead of him but also because of the overwhelming opposition he would face in founding and directing the Church.

The boy Joseph went into the grove seeking wisdom, and wisdom he received. His apostolic instruction had begun. Among the great apostolic lessons of this First Vision were both the physical nature of the Savior and Heavenly Father and the initial and fundamental lessons relating to Their power—each a pillar of apostolic testimony.

The Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith’s early apostolic instruction continued with his translation of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon gave Joseph access to “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34), principles that were necessary to understand even prior to the organization of the Church. The Prophet was introduced to numerous “plain and most precious” (1 Nephi 13:26) prophetic and apostolic testimonies regarding the Savior, all of which served as models for him.

Indeed, the Book of Mormon prophets employ over 100 titles in their teachings of Christ, each of which helped Joseph understand the Savior’s divine role.1 By virtue of these teachings, Joseph Smith became intimately acquainted with ancient prophets, giving him insight into the divine purpose of his responsibilities.

The Book of Mormon illuminates the universality of Christ’s Atonement. The Savior’s holy sacrifice is not confined to the borders of the Holy Land of His day or even restricted to the apostolic world of the original Twelve. The Atonement encompasses all of God’s creations—past, present, and future. What an impression Jacob’s teaching of the “infinite atonement” (2 Nephi 9:7) must have made on the mind of young Joseph, especially in contrast to Christian teachings at the time.

The Book of Mormon also introduces the universality of the Resurrection and other doctrines relating to it. Discourses on this doctrine by Lehi, Jacob, King Benjamin, Abinadi, Alma, Amulek, Samuel the Lamanite, and Moroni are all rich sources of instruction.

During the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet received additional valuable personal instruction concerning the redemptive and saving power of Christ. In 1828 Martin Harris persuaded Joseph to lend him the first 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. When Martin Harris lost those pages, the Prophet felt an enormous despair.2 His mother, Lucy Mack Smith, recorded that Joseph exclaimed: “Oh, my God! … All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned—it is I who tempted the wrath of God. … How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?”3

For well over a month the Lord left Joseph in this terrible condition of remorse.4 Then came relief and the apostolic lesson. The Lord told Joseph:

“The works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated, neither can they come to naught. …

“For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him” (D&C 3:1, 4).

These words carefully describe what Joseph Smith had been experiencing. He had learned the exacting nature of the apostolic call and to whom the Apostle, at all cost, owes his loyalty. “Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words,” Joseph was told, “yet you should have been faithful” (D&C 3:7–8). Joseph Smith had lost access to the plates for a season and had been taught an invaluable lesson. Subsequently, the plates were returned, and his position as translator restored.

How critical were the lessons provided by the translation of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith grew in his apostolic calling! The Book of Mormon is the “keystone of our religion”5 because it contains so many prophetic testimonies of Christ and stands as a tangible witness of the Restoration.

Continuing Revelation and Scripture

After finishing the translation of the Book of Mormon in 1829 and organizing the Church in 1830, Joseph Smith had the opportunity to receive continuing apostolic education through the process of translating other scripture. This included three years of translating the Bible and, beginning in 1835, translating the book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible expanded his understanding of the role of Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles. It also resulted in additional revelation, namely the book of Moses.

The book of Moses provided the Prophet with important knowledge about the Savior’s ministry, including His role in the Creation. “The Lord spake unto Moses, saying: … I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things” (Moses 2:1). Further, He said, “And worlds without number have I created; … and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten” (Moses 1:33).

The book of Moses clarified Christ’s relationship to the Father in the premortal existence and reinforced the Prophet’s understanding of the ascendant power of righteousness. One of the most beautiful of all the apostolic lessons that came to Joseph Smith in this revelation was the confirmation of God’s love. It was so different from the harsh, unforgiving, and judgmental personage so many believed God to be; the book of Moses reveals a God of infinite compassion. Enoch saw that the “God of heaven … wept” (Moses 7:28) over those who would not receive Him. Wishing to know how it was possible, Enoch was given an answer that has a familiar biblical feel to it: “I [have] given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father. … Wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” (Moses 7:33, 37; see also Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37–39).

Through the translation of the book of Moses, the Prophet also became more acquainted with the redeeming and saving power of the Savior. As the Lord said, this earth was created “by the word of my power” (Moses 1:32) for the purpose of bringing “to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39). Many long years before the Savior taught Thomas and the Twelve that “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6), He revealed to Moses that “this is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time” (Moses 6:62).

The First Vision in the grove, the translation of the Book of Mormon, the revision of the Bible, the revelation of the book of Moses, and the translation of the book of Abraham laid the basic foundation of the Church, largely through the rapidly expanding knowledge and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith relating to Jesus Christ.

Revelations given to him and compiled in the Doctrine and Covenants contain a wealth of knowledge concerning the Savior. One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world. I am grateful to know that Jesus was “in the beginning with the Father” (D&C 93:21). I am grateful to know that He “suffered these things for [me], that [I] might not suffer if [I] would repent” (D&C 19:16).

My Testimony of What the Prophet Revealed

I am grateful for yet one other thing about the Savior’s ministry that stirs my soul deeply. From studying the promises of Malachi, Moroni’s initial visit with Joseph, the Savior’s words to the Nephites, and the visit of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple, I learn that God loves His children and has provided a way for each to return to Him. I know of no doctrine more just, no teaching that gives more hope than that of redemption of the dead. I am so grateful for the revelations that teach me that the Savior’s Atonement reaches to those who have lived, loved, served, and hoped for a better day yet never heard of Jesus or had the opportunity to embrace His gospel. This knowledge alone would be sufficient to convert me to the gospel if I knew nothing else at all. Here, at least for me, is the ultimate testimony of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice.

What, then, can be said of the incomparable saving power of Christ? That which Joseph Smith learned in the Sacred Grove about the power of righteousness overcoming evil foreshadows the final scene. So reveals the Lord:

“I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—

“Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment” (D&C 19:2–3).

Our own testimonies of the Savior are framed by the testimony and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Is it any wonder then that the Prophet taught that “the fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”6

Joseph Smith’s apostolic testimony of the divine reality and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, as well as his knowledge of the redemptive and saving power of the Savior, can best be seen by the Prophet’s own beautiful, powerful, and succinct witness:

“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).

How grateful I am for the apostolic call of Joseph Smith.

 

 

 

Notes

1. See Book of Mormon Reference Companion, ed. Dennis L. Largey (2003), 457–58.

2. See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley (1958), 128–29.

3. History of Joseph Smith, 128, 129.

4. The 116 pages were lost in June 1828. In July Joseph Smith received what is now section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In September the plates were returned to the Prophet. See the historical introductions to D&C 3; 10.

5. History of the Church, 4:461.

6. History of the Church, 3:30.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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To: eastforker
My postings were to bring to light the FRinquisition of any posters who deliberately make fun of someone elses faith or lack of it.

The 'making fun', as you call it, comes AFTER so many attempts at straight line debate. The run-around gets me all dizzy, especially after posting OFFICIAL publications from their CHOSEN religion.

When they CONTINUALLY state that the words to NOT mean what they clearly say; THAT is when their 'intelligence' becomes a foil for ridicule.

2,221 posted on 01/06/2011 12:39:13 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie

All you ballerinas line up!


2,222 posted on 01/06/2011 12:40:16 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie

Eat yer heart out; Nana!


2,223 posted on 01/06/2011 12:41:02 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Tennessee Nana

Eat yer heart out; Nana!


2,224 posted on 01/06/2011 12:41:19 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
The ‘making fun’, as you call it, comes AFTER so many attempts at straight line debate. The run-around gets me all dizzy, especially after posting OFFICIAL publications from their CHOSEN religion.

When they CONTINUALLY state that the words to NOT mean what they clearly say; THAT is when their ‘intelligence’ becomes a foil for ridicule.

Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief and dizziness.I have always been told that anyone that continually makes fun of other people usually has low self esteem and an inferiority complex.

2,225 posted on 01/06/2011 12:47:02 PM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: F15Eagle

I’ve never heard that rumor...might as well have your post deleted before someone gets all excited about it and credits the FR “antis” with another lie!


2,226 posted on 01/06/2011 12:53:00 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: eastforker
Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief

Thanks you for your suggestion. Now, pass it along to the 52,000 missionaries and their thousands of retired co-religionists who are out there daily passing on THEIR message to Christians that whatever belief the Christian espouses is false and the only way to salvation is through becoming a mormon...either alive or dead.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

2,227 posted on 01/06/2011 12:58:43 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: eastforker
Had he existed 1500 years ago he would have been burned at the stake. Or crusified on a cross................Thats how religions get started and flourish.

Let me know when Joseph's grave is empty.

2,228 posted on 01/06/2011 1:04:06 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: greyfoxx39

Yup, it really is all about money isn’t it.More members means more dollars.Almost like TV commercials.


2,229 posted on 01/06/2011 1:06:43 PM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: Elsie

Eh ????


2,230 posted on 01/06/2011 1:08:20 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Alex Murphy; eastforker
Had he existed 1500 years ago he would have been burned at the stake. Or crusified on a cross................Thats how religions get started and flourish.

Let me know when Joseph's grave is empty.

HA! Post of the day!!

2,231 posted on 01/06/2011 1:13:58 PM PST by conservativegramma
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Placemark


2,232 posted on 01/06/2011 1:56:53 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: conservativegramma

I agree!


2,233 posted on 01/06/2011 1:58:02 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: eastforker
Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief and dizziness.True; there comes a time to kick the dust off yer feet and move on...

...but there are OTHER folks who read these threads and NEVER comment.

THEY are our greater audience.

2,234 posted on 01/06/2011 1:58:44 PM PST by Elsie
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To: eastforker
Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief and dizziness.

True; there comes a time to kick the dust off yer feet and move on...

...but there are OTHER folks who read these threads and NEVER comment.

THEY are our greater audience.

2,235 posted on 01/06/2011 1:58:50 PM PST by Elsie
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To: T Minus Four

I understand that and you are correct, that is why I chimed out of this thread....I meant no ill will or malice agaisnt anyone here...

GOD Bless....


2,236 posted on 01/06/2011 2:00:53 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: T Minus Four; TaraP
Thanks...but this is exactly what TP is trying to sway people to do when she has no knowledge of what you folks are up against....or the procedures being taken. She just doesn't understand.

Can you imagine a surgeon and His team, in the heat of reattaching a severed limb, while bullets are flying around them. His tool is sharp and cuts both ways.. it's “doubled edged”...and in comes Tara wanting to replace this with a flower!

Now once the surgeon's work is done and the “Patient” is in recovery....why then Flowers are most appropriate. But not during the procedures...and certainly not on the battlefield.

Also,.... if you've ever watched a surgical procedure being done on the battlefield...you note there are moments when the surgeon or his assistants check to see the condition of the patient. Sometimes they have to yell to keep the patient alert.... All are focused... They know what to ask... they have done this before... a life is at stake.

2,237 posted on 01/06/2011 2:01:13 PM PST by caww
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To: Tennessee Nana
I just KNEW it would have to be explained!





2,238 posted on 01/06/2011 2:01:13 PM PST by Elsie
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To: conservativegramma
 
HA! Post of the day!!

Hey Dude, RAISE YOURSELF UP FROM THE GRAVE IN THREE DAYS and then we'll compare notes.



JESUS: Hey Smith!  Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....



 


2,239 posted on 01/06/2011 2:02:48 PM PST by Elsie
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To: DelphiUser; restornu; Godzilla
So where in the missionary Discussions does it call you apostate personally? (It does not)

(Tell us, DU...exactly how long have you had trouble with that vocabulary word, "universal"???)

Has your church, if you have one ever claimed to be the "true church" or declared another group to be apostate (like us for example?) If so, you have nothing to complain about.

(Nice try...#1 show me a Protestant or Evangelical church which puts the word "ONLY" in front of "true" -- like the Mormons do in D&C 1:30...and then show me where they claim that's a direct revelation from God!)

OK, Theoretical question, If God causes a scripture to be written, is a church leader responsible for what it says, or God? None of the Current church leaders can in any way be held responsible for the content of the Book of Mormon. Joseph smith translated that Book by the Gift and power of God. God is responsible for what is in it, and you are free to go to him in the matter as soon and as often as you like.

More crock, DU. More shameful Lds apologetics. Simply put, you are guilty of reducing this to an issue merely of...
...Inspiration...["God said it. Go bug him."]
...And interpretation...["Smith translated that Book by the Gift and power of God Go bug him."]
...But you conveniently neglected the issue of application [see my comment below]
...As well as grassroots Mormons like yourself who has funded that application!!!

What do I mean? Let's look @ 1 Nephi 14:9-10 in the BoM. Didn't Smith date that as citing B.C. times?

If it was only a conspiracy of one -- Smith & his book of mormon --
--Or two (Smith and his god)--
---then were we to see contemporary Mormons & their leaders be magnanimous in their interpretation --
--by erroring on the side of charity...
--We would have seen these contemporaries say, "Well, 1 Nephi was written in B.C. times & what Nephi said applied to the B.C. era; therefore we won't import a B.C. description to club over the head of an A.D. dynamic."

But do we see that from Lds Inc?

In November, Restornu said to me after I pointed out that the Lds church stance on the Christian church as the "church of the devil" was still taught by Lds: "Those are your opinions just like your bais [sic] opinion that does not make them doctrines" [Restornu]

Here was my response to Restornu:

Let's just take one of those quotes and review it:

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is...EVERY church except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)

McConkie says here that every non-Mormon church is the "church of the devil" -- doesn't matter if they're "Parading" under a Christian banner or a pagan one...McConkie labels us devilish.

Now this specific quotation was published second hand at: The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary [Updated Note: A link, BTW, which has conveniently disappeared in less than two months' time]

Are telling us, Restornu that your Lds Institutes are teaching the mere "opinions" of men in their Lds Institute curricula aimed at impressionable college students? They're not teaching "doctrine?" Do you realize this comes direct from the Lds church curricula department...and is published at Lds.org?

Will you go on the record, Resty, and tell us that you have shot off an e-mail to Lds.org -- where this quote is found -- and tell them to stop teaching what you seem to claim is the doctrine of mere men?
Source: Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary [And, of course, Restornu didn't respond to the above post in November!]

So if I pay tithes to God, I am responsible for what God does with my tithing... [DU]

Well, we agree on one thing: The Mormon church is your "god," alright...(no wonder First President Marion G. Romney called the Mormon church "the way, the truth, and the life" in the early 1960s!)

Tell us, DU...did McConkie when he was alive get paid out of tithe funds by Mormons? Did the writer of The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary get paid out of tithe funds by Mormons?

DU, if you & your fellow grassroots Mormons pay salaries of people employed to APPLY the phrase "church of the devil" (and "apostate") to us -- and if you don't put up any fuss about that -- then the labels are on YOUR head...or should I say...it's funded by your personal wallet!

2,240 posted on 01/06/2011 2:03:29 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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