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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
You are welcome back to the thread provided your posts are like that one.
Had he existed 1500 years ago he would have been burned at the stake.
Or crusified on a cross................Thats how religions get started and flourish.
You don’t know what you believe just like the truths of the founding fathers of this great nation has been distorted so had the word of the Lord been distorted by your Tradition of men during the time of Constantine 325 AD
A council of men agreed upon which version to go with...
These are things of the world, not of the Lord, things of the Lord come through divine Revelation from the Lord Jesus Chirst no other way.
Thanks also to the internet there is more history on Constantine as most corrupt and murdering man yet you accept this Pagan version of the Nicene Creed!
There is something wrong with this picture!
Now when I use the word 'heresies' I refer to the things which insult the very nature of God as He has defined Himself in Judeo-Christian rvelation.
God says of Himself that He is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last. As Alamo_Girl put it last evening, Only He was before the universe came into existence, and when the created stops being, only He will remain. In that sense God is the limits definition of all that there is, whether spiritual or physical. All exist between the limits of Whom IS and Whom will remain when all you or I can even imagine is no more.
Let's go even further, for the benefit of discussion on a plane you may enjoin. There is not one thing that is not a created thing EXCEPT God. God IS ... before there was anything created, God IS. When the universe expands into a cold lifeless expanse in approximately 10120 billion years, if some as yet undiscovered principle of Physics does not intervene sooner, God IS even at that limit. If God rolls up the universe when it reaches the cold dead state at that far time, and He blows it into nothingness so time and space and matter and souls and spirits are no more, God will still be I AM.
Christians--not cultist pretending to be Christians, but CHRIST ians-- believe God has told us in the pages of the Tanakh and New Testament that Jesus IS The Word and that The Word was with God in the beginning and Was God. That means--if words mean anything--that Jesus is either the very first of God's Creation and from Whom all else issues, or it means Jesus is God as He creates dimension time, dimension space, and all the rest of what we have and will discover.
In the sense of the Trinity, I would assert that the second way of contemplating Jesus, The Word made flesh WHo dwelt among us, is the more accurate. In my calculus, when God declares what will be, it is as sure as already in existence, for the God I believe in cannot lie ... men and women can and do lie, but it is not in God's nature to lie therefore He is not a liar.
The Bible makes it very clear that Jesus could not sin as He walked among men during His ministry because His seed, His nature remained within Him.
You may believe yourself to be samrter than to believe in the Judeo-Christian God, but have you ever really discussed Whom God IS with a learned Christian? Oh, I don't mean just someone who has warmed a pew among fellow Christians for deacdes, I'm referring to the Christian into Whom God placed a burning desire to know Whom God IS and has been studying for decades to comprehend God in all the many ways He IS revealing Himself. If she will allow it, you could find just such a Christian in Alamo_Girl, and you will be rewarded beyond your imaginings in asking for her opinions and revelations. In the meantime, following is a little essay on the nature of The Alpha and Omega God as expressed in three ways, three venues, three functions, and two of the three are functioning within the limits of Alpha and Omega, while remaining aspects of He Who IS and ever shall be, Who told us His name is I AM:
The following will be 'a way' to understand the notion of the trinitarian nature of God, not a strictly Biblical explanation, but one which is applicable to the teaching of the Bible. Here goes:
God The Father Almighty, The Alpha and Omega, is greater than His creation, thus greater than dimension time and dimension space, thus we may think of The Father Almighty as beyond time and space but not prevented from touching and indeed penetrating His creation. Everything that exists does so between the limits, the beginning and end beyond which I AM still IS.
I liken the universe of space and time to a bubble: what is inside the bubble is in time and space. But the nature of what is inside the bubble is only partially understood in modern Physics.
The Bible relates scenes which defy the simplistic notions we use for assumptive science. God The Father Almighty is as comfortable outside the bubble as He is inside the bubble.
Modern Physics has discovered that the balance of forces and tensions sustaining the universe necessary for human life to arise within the universe is extremely delicate, on the order of a mathematical improbability, represented as a 'one in less than' fraction so tiny that a one over a one followed by more than one-hundred zeros (1/10100) defines the probability that the whole thing remains in balance! Such a delicate balancing act is but one of the continuing 'works' of the Holy Spirit of God. It is by the Spirit of God, The Word, that the universe came into existence and it is said in the Bible that by His Spirit the whole is maintained.
But the Bible also states that The Word was with God in the beginning and was God. In John's gospel we find that Jesus is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. So, inside the bubble Created by The Father Almighty, sustained by God The Holy Spirit, is the Word, God made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Creator does not stop being greater than His creation bubble, nor does His Spirit cease to sustain it all in balance, when Jesus comes in the flesh to dwell among us.
God The Father Almighty created and creates all the where/when realms we may discover; His Holy Spirit maintains the balance and separateness of our where/when and all other where/whens, and Jesus has moved in and out of other where/whens: as shown when He resurrected from the tomb without rolling away the stone, just passing out of the tomb where/when, into 'another' where/when, then back into our where/when as He spoke to the women come to the sepulchre; and when He appeared in a locked and shuttered room with the disciples present; or when He appeared suddenly with the disciples walking on a road and broke bread with them then left our where/when to go to the 'other' where/when.
The trinitarian nature of God is shown in the Bible, even in the Tanakh. Trinity IS the nature of God as we have been given to know. God's nature may be much more than trinitarian, but I for one haven't a clue what other works God does since I'm limited to the capabilities He has built into us. Even in the Old Testament/Tanakh, we do have instruction on the Three nature of God as Creator, Sustainer, and Deliverer. God Is manifested as three yet one, seen identified by 'the work He is doing'.
With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
You meant post #2156 for Normandy, I assume.
Optimist ;0)
Yeah, I went through all that for 8 years of parochial school, communion, catachism etc,.I lived it for about 20 years and realized I was being a hypocrite. So I quit lying to myself that I believed something I truly did not.But to this day I have never belittled anyone for their faith.
Tara, there is a very long history here between two groups of posters. You have no idea of what has gone on before.
We use different methods for different circumstances. If you knew me in “real life” you would see me being a kind, compassionate flower-strewing witness most of the time.
We see a group of people bastardizing and blaspheming Chritianity and trying to suck other people down into their pit. we’ve tried to reason them out of it. We’ve tried to love them out of it.
But at some point it’s a declared war and it’s been going on for years before you wandered in.
I suggest you get on the internet and do several weeks of investigating the LDS religion and see if you still consider it worthy of defense. It will be very enlightening, I promise.
Thank you I was coming from the point of view distortion in history so therefore the person is banking on truth when it was founded on a faulty foundation therefore making ones out come skewed.
K thanx. I'm happy to provide my position to those truly interested. I would implore you as well to be aware I'm frequently the recipient of the ad hominems and most of time I'm merely responding in kind and not initiating. Thank you sir.
the wick man was Sherman who denied the Christ!
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Then post that stuff to FReeper Sherman and not to another FReeper...
This still is an open forum and the words I post defend the Lord Jesus Christ.
It's true. I used to be one.
Oops, yes.
Well that is not the Lord Counsel.
Search the scriptures is good advice which enables one to discern which is the Lord’s way and not get fleece.
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The scriptures involved in that praise of the Bereans by Luke was the scriptures in the Christian Bible...
The Old Testament actually...
Not the false words from the book of mormon or the koran...
Neither book was even written as yet...
It was 700 years before Mohammad wrote his religious text...
and 1800 years until Joey Smith wrote his...
The Bereans were only interested in what the Jewish Holy scripture had to say about the coming Messiah and how to recognize Him when He came...
These Bereans were Jews and knowing the scriptures of Isaiah and the other real prophets and checking them for clarity they immediately knew that what Paul said about Jesus was true...
That the LORD Jesus Christ was indeed God...the Alpha and Omega...God come in the flesh...God the Savior who was to come...had come...
The Bereans were not reading or searching out anything the mormons agree with...
The mormons could be identified with the less noble Thessalonians...
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Dr Luke, Acts 17:11)
to you maybe but others might differ
This is a big nation the Lord did not make it just for one kind of individuals thinking!
Honesty is to be highly prized. When you saw yourself as being a hypocrite you were closer to God than you could even imagine! God IS, and He IS a rewarder of those who dilligently seek Him. I’m sorry you think you’ve stopped seeking Him ... your very involvement on a thread like this one shows you still acknowledge He IS, though you’ve yet to find a particular convention which suits your quest to know Whom He IS. You have my respect, for what it’s worth.
False Mormonic Jesus Placemarker
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