Only Jesus was without sin. Everyone else is human.
>>Was Mary Sinless?<<
Yes.
The Jesuits have spent a lot of time, effort and booze to undermine base Catholic teachings.
God chose Mary because she was sinless — and He absolved her of Original Sin (As the Creator of the Universe this wasn’t too tough for Him).
Does the condition of Marys soul matter to our salvation?
That applies to EVERYONE on the planet born of a human father.
LUKE 1:48 “Because He hath regarded the humility of His Handmaid; for behold from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.”
Hail Mary, full of grace
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
The word, Jesus, is added when Catholics pray the Hail Mary. The angel Gabriel stopped with the word, "womb."
Now, why would the angel Gabriel use the words, "full of grace" -- doesn't that mean with no sin on one's soul? In other words, being full of grace allows no room for sin.
I’ll comment on this topic. But, first let me get my welding goggles.
I don’t think the Catholic nastiness has died down.
How long you want to guess before this thread gets locked by it?
Mary was simply an obedient human.
When God called, she obeyed. Thats all.
The Bible speaks of only one sinless person and that Jesus Christ. If Mary was sinless, then God would have said so. Since God did not say Mary was without sin in the Bible then she was a good person, but a sinner JUST LIKE US.
I know thew Catholic church likes to make stuff up. I used to be Catholic. But the point is this: If its not in the Bible, then its just a fairy tale. The RCC doesn’t get to add arbitrary things to the Word of God.
So the doctrine of Purgatory is fake. Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.
Prayer to saints? Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!
The RCC likes to call these added heresies tradition. But is tradition mentioned in the Bible? Mary was simply an obedient human.
When God called, she obeyed. Thats all.
The Bible speaks of only one sinless person and that Jesus Christ. If Mary was sinless, then God would have said so. Since God did not say Mary was without sin in the Bible then she was a good person, but a sinner JUST LIKE US.
I know thew Catholic church likes to make stuff up. I used to be Catholic. But the point is this: If its not in the Bible, then its just a fairy tale. The RCC doesn’t get to add arbitrary things to the Word of God.
So the doctrine of Purgatory is fake. Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.
Prayer to saints? Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!
The RCC likes to call these added heresies tradition. But is tradition mentioned in the Bible? NO! Toss it out!
There is NO authority granted to the Catholic church to just make up crap and add it to the Holy Word of God, but thats just what they do.
Wiser people like me who believe in Jesus, are eventually forced to leave the RCC by their own inability to understand the very things of God.
No, she was not. Christs line goes through Rahab, I mean come on folks, only a Catholic could believe such a thing, this is why the ascension of Mary came about (and very recently) since they think she was without sin they had to have her acend and never die, I feel sorry for those that believe such things.
Mary, Joseph, all the “saints” do nothing for me. Jesus is the ONLY one who forgives and saves. Worshiping or praying to any other “relation” is idolatry.
In the bible, it talks about the sin of the Fathers, not the mothers.
Jesus “father” was God (Elohim). Jesus was immaculately created without the normal process.
Mary (and Joseph) both were descended of the “correct” tribe.
In fact, Rahab was a in Jesus’ lineage.
Since God specially dispensated Jesus’s birth, I am sure “supposed issue” of how can a sinful being bear a sinless offspring does not apply.
If you believe ALL of Jesus’s traits must be derived from Mary, then must not Mary then be fully God Also? See how the logic breaks down!
let’s not assume Jesus’s creation must “play” by the rules of a normal man...
If we don’t then we have to “create” doctrine to justify our inferences......
And Augustine was perfect and error free, right?
In a word: “No”
Let’s stop with this nonsense of tearing the Body of Christ apart. The notion of dividing Christians one against the other is rooted in nothing but evil.
I found this at the Acton Institute Blog earlier today. It might be good for everyone to read it in full. I share an excerpt:
“Last night a band of hearty travelers braved the first snow of the season here in Grand Rapids (and the attendant slick and dangerous roads) to hear Dr. John H. Armstrong speak at the November/December Acton on Tap, “Ecumenism and the Threat of Ideology.” Dr. Armstrong is founder of ACT 3 and adjunct professor of evangelism at Wheaton College.
Armstrong spent some time discussing the thesis of his book, Your Church is Too Small: Why Unity in Christ’s Mission Is Vital to the Future of the Church. A recurring theme was the phrase coined by Timothy George, “ecumenism in the trenches,” which is sometimes how we describe what we do here at Acton. The basic point of Armstrong’s book is that Christians must be able to come together to work in concrete ways in order to be an effective and faithful witness to Jesus Christ in the culture and the world.
As Peter writes, we are to “Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us” (1 Peter 2:12 NIV). Undoubtedly this call to live “good lives” means showing love to other people, “especially to those who belong to the family of believers” (Galatians 6:10 NIV).”
Acton on Tap: Ecumenism and the Threat of Ideology
http://blog.acton.org/
And, of course, let’s not forget the last prayer of Jesus before He went to be with the Father:
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“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
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so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.
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And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,
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I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me. (John 17)
May God grant us all HIS Holy Spirit to grow us in the gifts and fruits of that same Spirit. Amen
Mary was not immaculately conceived, she was immaculately impregnated.
imho,
The early Christian writers
could not
UNANIMOUSLY AGREE
that the sun comes up in the morning,
much less
any dubious Christian dogma.
What nonsense that the
bureaucratic political powermongering magicsterical theological elites coming 400 years later
could rationally have the audacity to claim that the early Christian writers
unanimously agreed on
THEIR magicsterically convoluted mishmash of
STILL not the least consistent and homogeneous body of even Scriptural commentary.
Where do such jerks get off claiming unanimous anything?
They STILL aren’t unanimous . . .
About the closest they get to being unanimously agreeing about anything is the horrific pile of Maryolatry they seem to mostly agree with . . . on alternate days.
Sheesh.
Luke 1: 41 And it came to pass , that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said , Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo , as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45 And blessed is she that believed : for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. 46 And Mary said , My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold , from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed .
1. The underlined portions of verses 45 & 47 demonstrate that Mary is a saved believer. Therefore, according to the perseverence of the saints, there is no possibility that she would fall.
2. Elizabeth did not say that Mary was the mother of her dear relative. She did say, the Mother of MY Lord. By the Holy Spirit, she was testifying that Mary is the Mother of the Incarnate 2d Person of the Holy Trinity. By the Trinitarian Doctrine, Jesus is "My Lord and My God." (John 20:28 KJV And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.)
3. When Mary, inspired for the writing of the holy scripture, spoke that "all generations shall call me blessed", she was not speaking of unbelievers, many of whom have spoken terrible things and insinuations about her, even in her own day. Mary was speaking of belivers, that they would "call her blessed."
Are our words about her words that fulfill her prophecy, and if they are not, then why do we have trouble speaking what is simply in fulfillment of God's Word.
Mary, the Mother of My Lord and My God, is Blessed!