JOSEPH SMITH, JR: Founder and first "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" (1805-1844)(Mormon - OPEN)

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[Colofornian]

Joseph and Lucy Mack Smith. Both parents were poorly educated, very superstitious, and deeply involved in the occult (magic). The destitute Smith family moved frequently, with the mystical Joseph Sr. etching out a meager existence by farming, digging for buried treasure, and "water witching." When all else failed, he even attempted to mint his own money (a practice that was disliked by the local constabulary).

The Smith family had a reputation for low moral character. According to more than sixty affidavits signed by members of the community, "...we have no hesitation in saying, that we consider them destitute of moral character, which ought to entitle them to the confidence of the community. They were particularly famous for visionary projects, spent much of their time in digging for money which they pretended was hid in the earth;...Joseph Smith, Senior, and his son Joseph, were in particular, considered entirely destitute of moral character, and addicted to vicious habits." 1

Joseph, Jr. learned well from the poor examples shown by his parents. According to one acquaintance, "...his habits of exaggeration and untruthfulness...and by reason of the extravagances of his statement, his word was received with the least confidence by those who knew him best. He would utter the most palpable exaggeration or marvelous absurdity with the utmost apparent gravity." 2

Joseph Smith, Jr. spent his youth practicing what we know today to be witchcraft and occultism--drawing magic circles, crystal gazing (with his famous "peep stone"), water-witching, sacrificing animals to manipulate the spirits, enchantments, communication with familiar spirits (necromancy), and astrological magic talismans and swords.

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(1) Walter Martin, The Maze of Mormonism, 1983, p. 25 (from Mormonism Unvailed, E. D. Howe, 1834, p. 261) (2) Ibid. (from The Origin, Rise and Progress of Mormonism, Tucker, 1847, p. 16)

[ejonesie22]

I really am beginning to think our friend is an anti, either that or totally disconnected from reality.

[ejonesie22]

Why should AMPU feel any shame, he posts from your links often, and their own work is based off of that.

Furthermore since you cannot point out their falsehoods yourself, you are the last one who should even begin to think of saying shame on anybody.

[Tennessee Nana]

the purpose of life.
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Kid if you dont know by now that we were born to serve God...to worship the LORD Jesus Christ who is King of Kings and LORD of lords...

then you need to open the Christian Bible and read it...

[ejonesie22]

It is going to get to a point that we can just let him post and do nothing to make the best case against the LDS.

I guess to keep it going we would have to every once in a while come in and post "boo!"...

[Tennessee Nana]

HEY !!!

FOCUS, kid...

Your question in #21 was

"Are Mormons political?"

I answered you in #51...

If you didnt want an answer you should not have asked the question...

If you dont like the answer...

Too bad..

Its the best you are going to get...

Unless one of my lovely Flying Inman friends has a better one...

[Tennessee Nana]

I met LDS members when living in Murfreesboro, TN. They didn’t curse, drink, smoke, always smiled, had positive things to say, prayed with me, and were good to my family.
Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
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But probably on their way to Hell...

[Tennessee Nana]

Courtesy PING to #80

You were mentioned there by another FReeper

but not pinged

The “nicest people niceness” was missing..

[MHGinTN]

He left out the Mormon god’s father, and grand father and great grandfather and ... well, you get the picture.

[Tennessee Nana]

and the Mommy godess, whats-her-name

[Tennessee Nana]

4. Heavenly Mother, who used to be a woman, and now as a goddess, breeds with Heavenly Father to populate the earth.
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Oh AMPU did include the Mommy godess...

Sorry bout that

[Normandy]

I met LDS members when living in Murfreesboro, TN. They didn’t curse, drink, smoke, always smiled, had positive things to say, prayed with me, and were good to my family.
Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
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But probably on their way to Hell...

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To me, one of the great absurdities of the anti-mormonism argument is how people whose lives are patterned after the teachings of Jesus Christ are on their way to the infernal realms for eternity.

We read in the Bible that God “will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath”(Romans 2, 6-8)

I will never believe that God is going to torture the souls of people for eternity who are kind and charitable, and whose lives are devoted to well doing.

[Elsie]

And yes Elsie, I now know that I am on a RELIGION thread. Thank you informing me.

Sorry for piling on; but I was way behind, it seems, in reading the thread.

The time delay between different posts can cause confusion, contention and/or frustration between posters at times; when, if we were all talking in real time, the problems would never come up.

[Elsie]

He (?) is a MORMON; so the latter definitely applies.

[Elsie]

 

It is going to get to a point that we can just let him post and do nothing to make the best case against the LDS.

 

The way they ALLOW others to worship like they want?

 

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The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

[aruanan]

Just another, though far more successful, form of British Israelism.

[Elsie]

then you need to open the Christian Bible and read it...

Can I just read my QUAD?

It has a LOT more stuff in it!

I KNOW it's true; for after carrying it around for a while I get this feeling in my chest...

--MormonDude(Why do you ANTIs fight so against the TRUTH?)

[Elsie]

http://solomonspalding.com/docs/1834howb.htm

[Elsie]

If you cannot turn to the original Hebrew for possible meanings, it is sometimes helpful to try other translations. It is interesting to note that the Prophet Joseph Smith recommended such possible study procedures. He said:

“Our latitude and longitude can be determined in the original Hebrew with far greater accuracy than in the English version. There is a grand distinction between the actual meaning of the prophets and the present translation.” (See Documentary History of the Church, vol, 5, pp. 339–45.)

With reference to something of value noted in another translation of a part of the Bible, he once said:

“I have an old edition of the New Testament in the Latin, Hebrew, German and Greek languages. I have been reading he German and find it to be the most nearly correct translation, and to correspond nearest to the revelations which God has given to me for the last fourteen years.” (Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 614.) From --->   http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=8003438d9b76b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

[Elsie]

I met LDS members when living in Murfreesboro, TN.

I've met JW members when living in Indianapolis, IN

I've met Congress members when traveling in Washington, DC

I've met Buddhists when in the service in Thailand

I've met 'Witches' when TrickorTreating on Halloween

They didn’t curse, drink, smoke, always smiled, had positive things to say...

[Elsie]

The “nicest people niceness” was missing..

I think he(?) could tell that I read them all anyway; even if I show up late in the thread.