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They point to the LDS church’s extra-biblical scriptures (Mormons abide by the Bible and the Book of Mormon).
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For Sylvia, that at least means that Scout leaders must believe in the Apostles’ Creed
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So if I understand things correctly, the reason Mormons are not Christians is because they do not believe in an extra-biblical doctrinal statement.


168 posted on 10/19/2010 11:12:08 AM PDT by jdowntown
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To: jdowntown

the reason Mormons are not Christians is because they do not believe in an extra-biblical doctrinal statement.
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AH NOOOOO

that would be...

the reason Mormons are not Christians is because they DO believe in an extra-biblical doctrinal statement.

or 2 or 12...

But that would not be the only reasons...


181 posted on 10/19/2010 11:37:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: jdowntown
So if I understand things correctly, the reason Mormons are not Christians is because they do not believe in an extra-biblical doctrinal statement.

Are you asking me, or this church?

This church pointed both to extra-biblical revelations like the Book of Mormon (what their pastor said) and the Apostles creed (what their other churchworker said).

Of course, your point is obvious: You're saying, in effect, that first this church condemns the Mormons for adhering to extra-biblical revelations but then demands that you subscribe to a separate extra-biblical statement of faith.

So let's first talk about that.

#1, MANY churches and parachurch organizations demand as a condition of employment that you adhere to a statement of faith that may sum up parts of the Bible but is not in and of itself direct "scripture." And with greater filters being placed by churches, it often extends down to volunteer positions. I mean that's not unusual.

#2...what would you otherwise suggest? That a church have you read the Bible afresh, and then ask if you believe everything in it?

Unfortunately, in the case of what I call, "closed-eye Mormonism," it wouldn't help Mormons to see the vast distinctions of what they believe vs. what the Bible says. They somehow just gloss over glaring differences.

Examples:
(a) Do they believe God created everything from nothing (Hebrews 11:3)? (No Mormons believe God and Jesus only "organized" matter -- but didn't create it from nothing.)
(b) Have their leaders taught that Jesus is the only savior --like what John taught? (No. Brigham Young taught that all worlds have their own savior, and Lds "prophet" John Taylor taught that Mormons are "saviors," too via baptizing dead people)
(c) Have their leaders taught that only Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life? (No. One of the highest men in the hierarchy of the church in the 50s and 60s, Marion G. Romney, said that the LDS church is "the way, the truth, and the life.")

Anyway, you get the picture. The creeds were developed to define distinctions between orthodoxy and heresy. And since Mormons have redefined most biblical words...
...from damnation to "the fall" in the garden, to "salvation" to what an "heir" is, to "grace"...etc...
...then qualifying statements that sum up the Bible are needed.

184 posted on 10/19/2010 11:42:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: jdowntown
(Mormons abide by the Bible and the Book of Mormon).

SLC 'mormons' do NOT 'abide' GOD's word found in D&C 132!

(Only them {DAMNED!! spit} FUNDAMENTALIST lds folks do that!)

274 posted on 10/19/2010 1:25:48 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jdowntown
(Mormons abide by the Bible and the Book of Mormon)

Not them early ones!!




TRUTH IGNORED
 
 

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimbal,l Woodruff ...

 
 
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 
 

275 posted on 10/19/2010 1:27:02 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jdowntown
So if I understand things correctly, the reason Mormons are not Christians is because they do not believe in an extra-biblical doctrinal statement.

Galatians 1:6-9 is pretty clear for Christians.

364 posted on 10/19/2010 9:10:24 PM PDT by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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