Posted on 10/07/2010 7:04:54 AM PDT by Catholic Examiner
Greed over need. What would Jesus do?
There are rural, unincorporated areas that simply do not have a population and government structure that supports a fire department. In such situations, sometimes a volunteer firefighting force is put together by residents. In some cases, the rural residents in outlying areas near a town might appeal to that town for assistance. Since these residents don't live in that town or pay city taxes, the town might enter into an agreement with the county to extend services to those residents if the county pays for the services or if the individual residents pay for the services. This is really not that unusual.
You are wrong.
When you go to the grocery store, you pay for your purchases, and the store’s personnel bag it for you, and maybe put it into a cart for you.
Do you demand that the person one checkout aisle over be given the same service but not have to pay?
Theft is theft. But, in this case, you feel emotionally charged about it. But it is still theft.
Apparently there are counties that have the government that they want.
Lets not make it a crime.
Everyone deserves decency $75 is not a barometer for who should be treated decent and who should not.
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I agree with you. Unfortunately, Mr. Cranick disagrees. And since this is all about him, he gets to make that call about what is decent and what isn’t.
You would have given him the $75? So would I - if he asked. Even if he spent $75 a month on beer and cigaretts.
But would you/could you FORCE him to take the $75? It is - after all - his call, his choice.
Please don’t take away Mr. Cranick’s decency - his dignity by blaming the volunteer fire department.
Did I demand anything from anyone? The answer would be NO.
What is your checkout aisle analogy? You are saying someone is checking out at a grocery store but not paying? Are they checking themselves out? Are they squeezing the charmin?
Seriously you guys try to hard to defend what total and complete lowlifes these firemen are. Until there is something to show they had a good reason to sit there and watch someones house burn while they had knowledge and equipment on the spot to help you will get nowhere. It really just puts your own judgement into question.
This is about decency and what kind of person would sit there and watch someone lose all their stuff for no good reason except to teach him a lesson. You go ahead and keep trying to defend it with those really bad analogy’s it’s fun.
You do realize that when something is invented that isn’t a theory it’s an invention. You really need to read up on this stuff before just tossing out anything to try to be right.
Inventions can be based off of theory but they are not theories.
I am not taking anything from mr Cranick.
I am just saying those firemen are lowlifes.
I am just saying those firemen are lowlifes.
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This is a rural area. But it’s safe to assume there is another fire department somewhere in the vicinity. Maybe 50 miles away, but still...
They didn’t respond either. Are they lowlifes too?
You have just tried to invent things to say why. Reality doesn’t work like this.
I invented things?? Man I'm good, I thought I simply stated the obvious
These firemen were right there with their equipment. Sorry if that is so hard to understand.
You haven’t stated anything even close to obvious, you have stretched really hard trying to be right and not really even knowing what you are arguing about.
It’s funny.
These firemen were right there with their equipment.
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Yes they were. And they were protecting the property they were paid to protect (the neighbor).
But they’re still lowlifes. According to you.
What do YOU do for a living? Whatever it is, I’m sure you’d be glad to do it for free. Or glad to do it at the risk of losing your insurance. Or do it at the risk of losing your job.
And I bet you don’t even have a dangerous job. Like these firefighters do. Yet you call them lowlifes.
Let me guess. You sit around all day waiting for that free pie, don’t ya?
Yes they are lowolifes.
This has nothing to do with doing my job for free. How sadly do you need to stretch with this stuff? I keep talking about decency and you guys keep trying to go a different direction.
I love it when you guys want to talk about receiving stuff for free and me waiting for stuff. I help people who are in need, you seem to think to hell with them unless they give you money. So while you are trying to insult me you are showing what kind of person you are, do you happen to be one of these firefighters? It would sure make sense with your attitude considering what they are.
You are arguing that these firemen, and the fire department they volunteer in, should have been required to bail out this homeowner when the decision he made (not paying the $75 fee) turned out to be detrimental.
Do you also support the TARP bailouts?
The homeowner made a decision to not participate. It is HIS problem, not the fire department’s.
So while you are trying to insult me you are showing what kind of person you are, do you happen to be one of these firefighters? It would sure make sense with your attitude considering what they are.
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I apologize. I had no call to say you are waiting on free pie. That was an insult - not called for. And no - I’m no firefighter. I’m a benker.
(OK to make snide remarks here - feel free!)
But back to your comments about decency. That gets back to my earlier comments about Mr Cranick. HE was the one who set the rules in motion. HE was the one in charge of the rules of decency. HE sets the stage.
Now I guess the decent thing to do would have been for the fire department to IGNORE Cranick’s standards of decency and implement their own, right? The decent thing to do would have been to put out that fire, right?
Great. Then what?
1. Then others would see that payng $75 is senselsss and they would not pay. This would only add to the burden of responsible people. You do see the similarites to this situation and our welfare system, right?
2. But worse then the financial burdens is the legal and contractual burdens. It’s already been established that putting out that fire might cost these firefighters their jobes. But that’s OK, right. Because they did the DECENT thing. And if the liability insurance company cancels the insurance and this little group of volunteers have to shut down and NO ONE NO WHERE has fire protection, then that’s OK too, right?
3. I could go on and on. Just like the original author of this article showed how these firefighters did the Chrisitan thing to do, I’m also stating they did the decent thing to do.
I’m wondering how many people are not going to pay the $75 next year, torch their homes and end up with a new home. Of course family photos and such will be in a fireproof safe beforehand.
Wait a minute... IS there free pie?
I was not informed that there would be pie.
In the future if there is pie someone should ping me.
Or cake. Pie or cake, either way. I'll bring ice cream.
How is helping someone in need when you are sitting there losing everythign in their life insulting his standard of decency.
do you really think everyone is going to say “well great I’m not paying next year”. LOL, you are basically saying everyone is crappy. Where do you get this idea from? Has this happened before? It doesn’t appear to have happened when they didn’t have to pay the time before that is talked about in the articles. So how come will it suddenly happen? Are you just making an assumption of what everyone else will now do?
It has not been established that putting out the fire would have gotten these guys to lose their jobs. People are just saying that trying to win an argument there is nothing to show that would have happened. So again they are not decent people and no amount of hoping for some kind of legal win will help.
The original author of this article did nothing but show that he can read a bible and pretty much pervert anything to meet his argument. I wonder if he tries to clear Catholic Priests who have abused children too, I’m sure he could bastardize enough scripture if the tried hard enough.
No snide remarks from me, I also work in Banking now, I work in the biggest bank there is. Just to clear up some other things I also worked a dangerous job for our government where I was sent to another country to defend our people. My closest friend, my brother and my father are all Firemen tho my father is since retired. Most of the arguments people are tossing out here are a joke and they are just dreaming up anything they can to say they are right.
Firemen assist outside of their towns all the time, my brother has done it before. My best friend has permanent disfigurement for doing that very thing. It’s sad how far people will go in order to try to be right about topics they know nothing about.
That is a pretty standard disclaimer for all policies. Only assuming these men, the township(s) and the contract btwn the two are simply gentlemens agreements you calling others on lacking decency is rubbish
So post their insurance policy.
If not you guys are just blowing smoke trying to guess a way to be right.
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