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Paper on Pope's Visit: "This was the End of the British Empire"
TheSacredPage.com ^ | Friday, September 17, 2010 | Michael Barber commenting on British publication

Posted on 09/21/2010 3:49:00 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: atomic_dog

Keegan and others make the point that the British empire probably died at the Somme in 1916. I’ve read other sources that indicate their intervention in Suez in 1956 might be, and there is a good argument the Falklands War might have been its last gasp. It took Rome nearly 300 years to fall after Commodus’ assassination...Perhaps there is even a case for the end coming starting with a certain failure in 1776.... Hastings’ point is equally valid- historians will be debating the point where the British empire was finished for many years yet.

When thinking about this I am reminded of an episode of Monty Python- they first flashed a screen that said “By 470 the Roman empire lay in ruins...” A few skits later another one came up. “By 1970 the British Empire lay in ruins...”


21 posted on 09/21/2010 5:36:02 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Salvation
This was indeed a day of unthinkable events. Many Protestants will have been disturbed to see Pope Benedict XVI in Westminster Hall praising St Thomas More (who incidentally died to defend what he saw as the sovereignty of God)

I couldn't help but marvel at the beautiful mosaic of the Last Supper at Westminster Abbey during Princess Di's funeral (think that's where it was and she was married at St. Pauls?). I marveled then that it was once a Catholic church stolen from them.

But I see strengths and weaknesses on both sides of the great Protestant vs. Catholic divide. Neither side is blameless, and God allowed it where if it hadn't been for free will, He would not have had to. Let it go at that.

22 posted on 09/21/2010 7:30:02 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: GenXteacher

And yet, let us not forget that the British Empire, under Queen Victoria, brought Christianity, even if flawed, to many corners of the world.

And the Anglican Africans are offering a shelter to the AAmerican Episcopalians, who have been so put upon by the far left hierarchy.

This is a tapestry of which we can only see a few threads. God’s plan is unfolding, and we have been privileged to see a portion, when Pope Benedict walked into Westminster.


23 posted on 09/21/2010 7:35:14 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: allmendream
Yeah, how many times is England mentioned in the Bible?

About as many times as the Vatican, lol.

24 posted on 09/21/2010 7:37:45 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Salvation

I was under the impression that it effectively died decades ago, too! :))


25 posted on 09/21/2010 8:49:41 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: RegulatorCountry
LOL! True enough.

I always found it amusing that East and West broke over saying the Mass in Latin or Greek.

Gee, let me thing...as a theological matter, if there is going to be a language to speak to Jesus in, should it be in the language that much of the New testament was written in, or should it be the language of those who nailed Jesus to the cross?

Maybe I shouldn't think too hard.

26 posted on 09/21/2010 8:52:01 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Lorica

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27 posted on 09/21/2010 8:57:04 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Salvation

Paper on Pope’s Visit: “This was the End of the British Empire”
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No you are nearly 100 years behind the times...

The British Empire started out Catholic...

“the End of the British Empire” was due to religion but not Catholicism...

It was when General Allenby and the British Army and government “cursed” the Jews in the Middle East during WWI ...

From that time on England lost one country after another...

And the sun set on the British Empire...

God promised Abraham “I when bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you..

God’s promise to Abraham has never been rescinded...


28 posted on 09/21/2010 9:01:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: atomic_dog; GenXteacher; allmendream
I think that the British Royal Navy first realized that the Empire based on the strength of the Royal Navy was now 'kaput'. Something was amiss when the newly formed British Pacific Fleet arrived in theatre circa December 1944 to join its allied US Navy Fleets. This newly joined British Fleet was destined to become Task Force 57 under US Navy command. See this previous post for more detail.

Hope this helps,


dvwjr

29 posted on 09/21/2010 10:06:56 PM PDT by dvwjr
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To: All
Continue to Pray for Pope Benedict [Ecumenical]
30 posted on 09/21/2010 10:26:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Frantzie

With the conservatives surging in America waiting to win major elections on November 2, we could very well be seeing PBO’s Waterloo on that day.


31 posted on 09/22/2010 3:55:10 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: allmendream

it’s called English Israelism — the idea that the Aryanic English are actually descendents of the lost tribes of Israel. I know — it’s ludicrous and historically and genetically wrong, but there were many who believed it and many who do, you see this in some Baptist groups too.


32 posted on 09/22/2010 4:11:35 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: BenKenobi

Yes, the Battle of Agincourt — if Henry V HAD won, then France would not have had the Revolution as Henry V had a far more democratic (ok, less autocratic) rule than the Bourbons. Plus, if he had won, this woudl have prevented the French-Ottoman alliance and could have potentially changed the face of history globally.


33 posted on 09/22/2010 4:13:16 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: allmendream
Gee, let me thing...as a theological matter, if there is going to be a language to speak to Jesus in, should it be in the language that much of the New testament was written in, or should it be the language of those who nailed Jesus to the cross?

Probably would have been neither -- instead Aramaic and Hebrew.

The dispute was not OVER language but rather because of language (among other things) -- by the 8th century, most Easterners could not understand Latin and the writings of the Byzantines show that they were not much interested in the barbarian west. Also, in the West, the number who spoke any Greek dwindled massively among the clergy -- and the commoners would have no clue ("it's all greek to me!"_)
34 posted on 09/22/2010 4:17:29 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Cronos
Yes, according to some peculiar sects of Christians, not too keen on actual evidence, history, genetics, linguistics, etc; think just about EVERYBODY is a Jew, except, of course, the Jews.

I have a Jewish friend who I was explaining to that when David Koresh read the Bible and it said “Jew” he read “Honkey” and where it said “Zion” he read “Waco Texas”. He laughed his head off! He had never heard such a ludicrous thing!

35 posted on 09/22/2010 6:18:31 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Cronos

I don´t get ya´... If?


36 posted on 09/22/2010 8:06:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: allmendream

Check out

British-Israel, Fact or Fiction?
http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/british-israel%20fact%20or%20fiction.htm


37 posted on 09/22/2010 8:22:36 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
What a raving loon!

As I said before, some people don't seem to care about little things like evidence, history, genealogy, linguistics, etc.

No, they would rather invent an improbable history and think that when the Bible says “Jew” they mean “British” and when the Bible says “Zion” they mean “Staffordshire” or some such.

What delusional clap trap!

38 posted on 09/22/2010 8:28:09 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
... or should it be the language of those who nailed Jesus to the cross?

There is a very good chance that the guys who hammered the nails were speaking Greek. It was the more popular language in that corner of the Roman Empire at that time especially among the professional soldiers.

39 posted on 09/22/2010 8:36:17 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Time to Clean House.)
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To: Cronos

He did win at Agincourt. That’s the funny thing. All it took was a bout with Dysentery and dying before the sick French king. He was 35 and it was a matter of 2 months.


40 posted on 09/22/2010 9:48:39 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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