Posted on 08/29/2010 10:22:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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Can We Better Understand Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny
By Understanding What the Mormon Church Says About The Constitution, America, and the Last Days?
By Brannon S. Howse
www.worldviewweekend.com
Understanding the end-time beliefs of the Mormon Church and their view of America and the Constitution may help you understand "Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny". The guest on my radio program today was Ed Decker, a former Mormon for twenty years before becoming Christian. On the program I played sound bites of a speech given by Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson entitled "Our Divine Constitution" and Ed responds. Please remember that Glenn has said that he is a Mormon and to our knowledge has never publically renounced his Mormon religion.
Glenn Beck said on his TV program on August 26, 2010, that the event on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday, August 28, 2010, will not a political event. A few days before this Glenn said the event will not be a Christian event but a God event. What God are we talking about? Is Glenn acknowledging that it is indeed all about a spiritual agenda that has been well laid out by leading Mormon leaders including the now deceased President of the Mormon Church, Ezra Taft Benson? Glenn said that the money for this event was raised months ago. Did the Mormon Church assist in covering the costs for this event and if so for what purpose? Here are the sound bites we played on the radio program today from the speech given by Ezra Taft Benson.
Ezra Taft Benson: I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed His stamp of approval upon it.
Brannon Howse: This is out right heresy! We are told in Deuteronomy 4:2 not to "add to the word which I commanded you, nor take from it." Saying the Constitution is "akin to the revelation of God" is adding to the Bible and is for sure lowering the supremacy of the Word of God and thus heresy. If the Constitution is akin to the Word of God, why has it been changed so many times?
Ezra Taft Benson: I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith….It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church-among others-men and women who understand and abide the principles of the Constitution.
Brannon Howse: It is the Mormon Church and "enlightened" Mormons that will save America? If America is to be saved it will not be by the false gospel and false Jesus of the Mormons following the principles of the Constitution that they have elevated to being equal to the words of God. 2 Chronicles 7:14 says that "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." Part of the wickedness America needs to turn from is following the Jesus of the cults or the Jesus of Oprah's New Age Movement. The very thing the Mormons are doing and many Christian Americans are following, will actually not reclaim America but bring God's judgment.
Ezra Taft Benson: Have we read The Federalist papers? Are we reading the Constitution and pondering it? Are we aware of its principles? Are we abiding by these principles and teaching them to others? Could we defend the Constitution? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound? Do we know what the prophets have said about the Constitution and the threats to it?
Brannon Howse: I am all for returning to the original intent of America's Founding Fathers but the cross is higher than the flag and the Word of God is above the Constitution. If we really want to defend a Constitutional Republic we must get back to the Word of God; not the Mormon Bible and Mormon teachings on end-time beliefs and building God's Kingdom on earth or the New Jerusalem in Independence, Missouri as they believe.
Ezra Taft Benson: We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" (19 July 1840, as recorded by Martha Jane Knowlton Coray; ms. in Church Historian's Office, Salt Lake City).
Brannon Howse: The Mormon Church, in recent years, has found itself in another public relations problem so Ed Decker says they have backed away from this belief. However, all Mormons know of this prophecy by Joseph Smith and believe the Mormon Church and its "enlightened members of this Church" will restore America's honor. Sound familiar? Is this the goal of Glenn Beck's restoring America's Honor rally? Is Glenn Beck part of this Mormon movement that will restore America and usher in the "Kingdom of God" on earth? What does Glenn Beck mean by God? Does Glenn reject the Mormon god that was a man of flesh and bone that evolved to be the God of this universe by living a good Mormon life? Does Glenn believe he can become a god with many goddess wives that will populate their own planet? Does Glenn believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan that was voted by a council to come to earth? By his own admission he has said that 80% of his life revolves around the Mormon Temple. Glenn owes it to all of us that have watched him to answer these questions particularly since Glenn has challenged the president to be public about his beliefs.
Ezra Taft Benson: Only in this foreordained land, under its God-inspired Constitution and the resulting environment of freedom, was it possible to have established the restored church. It is our responsibility to see that this freedom is perpetuated so that the Church may more easily flourish in the future. The Lord said, "Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land" (D&C 98:6).
Brannon Howse: So in the end, the big push for returning to the founding principles is for the goal of the flourishing of the Mormon Church? How many people are aware of this ultimate goal? How many Americans want to live in a Mormon theocracy? Before you say they are not for a theocracy you had better read the "Law of Consecration" that Mormons swear to in the LDS temple ritual. Among other things, the officiator requests they swear to "consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you , to the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Ezra Taft Benson: Our Father in Heaven planned the coming forth of the Founding Fathers and their form of government as the necessary great prologue leading to the restoration of the gospel. Recall what our Savior Jesus Christ said nearly two thousand years ago when He visited this promised land: "For it is wisdom in the Father that they should be established in this land, and be set up as a free people by the power of the Father, that these things might come forth" (3 Ne. 21:4). America, the land of liberty, was to be the Lord's latter-day base of operations for His restored church.
Brannon Howse: So the god of the Mormons, who was once a man of flesh and bone, planned America so the gospel of the Mormon Church could be restored? When did Jesus visit the promise land, which they call America? You will only find that in the Mormon Bible. Notice Taft is quoting from the Mormon Bible where they say that Jesus declared that America would become the "Lord's latter-day base of operations for His restored church."
If Glenn Beck's event on 8/27 and 8/28 are not political events but spiritual events don't you think people should be aware of the spiritual and political agenda of the Mormon Church that Glenn has said 80% of his life revolves around?
If Glenn said come to these two events to learn more about the Constitution of the United States which is equal to the inspired Word of God; how many Christians would still attend? Sadly, I believe most American Christians have the knowledge and Biblical discernment of a gnat and even if Glenn publically equated the Constitution as "akin to the revelations of God…" as did Ezra Taft Benson that they would still be at his beck and call because they are so hungry for a conservative leader and so eager to reclaim the founder's original intent. I believe many self-professing Christians will betray God's ordained Word which will surely guarantee that we do not reclaim America but that our destiny will be divine judgment. It appears to me that "Glenn Beck's Devine Destiny" is nothing more than a "divine" deception.
And on what basis do you decree that “God would not have told me that”?
He did in fact, tell me that. I had a series of dreams about Mormons and this was before the Mormons hoodwinked evangelicals and Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family before the 08 election.
Please, keep your musings about the one and Holy God to yourself. Jesus warned us about False Prophets and False Teachers over and over again in the Bible, of course the same Jesus Christ would warn us today about those same deceivers.
Blessings
Oh, and P.S., my post about Mormons was upfront, open and forthright. It was not a “backhanded slight”. Thx.
Y'all put me in mind of a saying by Thoreau:
“Some would find fault with the morning red -
if they ever got up early enough.”
AND, you are still talking Blah, Blah, Blah! The DEMON-crats and their friends the demons of islam are the threat. Take a deep breath and think. Think hard!
Where on earth do you come up with this piece of utter ignorance?
Some of the responses here are not surprising given the spiritual atrophy here in the US. A couple of points to ponder
1. Beck advertised this as a ‘spiritual’ event and not a political one. With this being the case, then it is every bit reasonable to evaluate Beck’s spiritual world view in contrast to that of Christianity. Beck advocates mormonism, done subtly, but done none the less. So it is further legitimate to examine whether it is proper to ignore the vast theological gap between mormons and Christianity. It can’t be ignored. A similar gap exists between Judeo-Christian beliefs and Islam. The false claim is we both worship “God”, but closer theological examination shows that the ‘god’ of Islam has nothing to do with that of Judaism and Christianity and everything to do with the consolidation of the idols the arabs worshiped at the time, with allah being the moon ‘god’.
2. How much of this event is a personality ‘cult’ of Beckism? He throws his adhoc mix of Christian sounding mormon terms around, along with a bogus history of hebrews in the pre-americas and conservative values like mud on a mudbogging course. This is easily a foundation of sand, not rock.
3. If the mormon church was so fixed upon supporting the Constitution, why did they violate it by advocating polygamy and the discrimination against blacks.
Perhaps the "deep breath" should be yours.
OH...so it's OK for God to say "the Book of Mormon is TRUE!"...meaning that ALL Christian creeds are FALSE but it's offensive for God to say something about mormonism to someone that doesn't fit your template?
Double standard, par for the course.
Nothing about this thread is about yesterday.
Pray for America
It was a great rally as God was lifted up. We need to make sure we are following the one True God and not a cult. We need to pray for Glen that Jesus would truly reveal himself to him. Nothing wrong w/looking for the truth.
Pray for America
First while Jesus decides who is lost and who is found, that is among HIS SHEEP. We are directed to call out false teaching, to judge prophets and their words against the Bible, and witness to the nations who do not follow him. If all paths were valid there would be no point. We are also called at times as it says in Jude to “snatch” the lost from the fire.
The LDS is as false a path as Buddhism and Islam among many others. Worse, they slander Christ in their very doctrine which indeed makes them more insidious and harder to fight than other religions because they come “in HIS name” despite doing the precise opposite.
You say Hussein is the enemy, well you are partially correct. However the spiritual war we have been in from the beginning of time has not called a time out just because America in 2010 is having issues. All souls need to be saved if possible. DO we say “oh, but the Muslims were the issue, sorry we could not divide our attention” to those who fall down the dark path into eternal damnation while we focused only straight ahead.
The main reason the nation has arrived at the trouble it is in today is because we have lost sight of the fact that this is a Christian nation, that while other paths are tolerated and allowed to practice under our protection, the blessings the nation have received came from only one source, the God of the Holy Bible. We have become weak, confusing tolerance with equity among the faiths. While we are to look to ours and our house we also have a responsibility, a religious responsibility, to our nation and our world. We also are demanded to defend our faith.
Yes, it means that if we are doing it right, we are very busy in a multi front war, both hear and above.
Does this have anything to do with Beck. Beck is a man, he is in the spotlight, he also uses very Christian terms while following a most un Christian faith. I for one think his has remained a little ignorant of what the LDS really is, something common among converts. The LDS like to leave the former Christians "Christianity" intact as to make things easier for them.
This is all good and well as long as Beck leaves the LDS bit at home.
As for his political side, may he preach on...
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Just don't forget, those of you who are omnipotent, these are by those heathen LDS. But you'll be able to find the deceptions, right?
Sure you will.
Jim Robinson for a lasting affect. Glen Beck for a boost along the way.
Look at their agenda...it’s out there for all to see if you look. Ask a former Mormon...search the web...look at their history...etc. etc. etc. then you’ll be in a position to deny or understand their intentions for our country...why Christians do not acknowledge Mormonism doctrine nor their beliefs.
Like all counterfeit faiths they appeal to the senses....rather than the truth. Videos of feely touchy is part of the enticement.
Just wondering if you picked up the subtle references to Mormonism that were at this event? I did and then some. However his love for our country seems to tower of his belief in Mormonism....though I think he is likely doing what many do when they first get into Mormonism and try to reconcile Mormonism to Christianity...as least as much as he knows. The question is how much the LDS leadership will let him do his own thing before they really push to promote LDS. I think if they push him...he'll push back.
Wasn't intended to be a doctrinal debate.
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