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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: RnMomof7; Cronos
Luther only followed the lead of Jerome and the jews and limited the OT canon to the Jewish canon

However, Saint Jerome DID NOT exclude the Deuterocanonical books from the Vulgate.

He PERSONALLY questioned whether or not they were part of Canon, but he accepted Church teaching rather than his own opinion or the opinion of the Jews. His prologue to Judith mentions that the First Council of Nicaea had accepted Judith as Canon.

The FACT is that the Vulgate was pretty much the only Bible used in Western Europe for over a thousand years and it contained the Deuterocanonical books. Luther can say whatever he wants and he had every right to share St. Jerome's opinion, but the reality is that the Vulgate including the Deuterocanonical books was familiar to everyone.

One really has to wonder if any fuss would have been made about the Deuterocanonical books if they had not made reference to Purgatory.

701 posted on 08/09/2010 9:27:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TheStickman
I forgive you for making false statements about the Catholic Church. Peace be with you.

I said this .too much paganism,superstition and mysticism has entered via Rome.
I recently heard a saying that has application here.. "God made man in His own image and man has been trying to return the favor ever since".
The minute we add or take away anything from the God of the Bible then we have crossed into idolatry of a god made to our specs ...

What I said was true.. I know it is hard to hear.. But statues, relics, prayers to the dead, purgatory, the Queen of heaven , eating flesh to get the character of the one eaten ,counting prayer (prayer beads have a pagan history)

Paganism is generally sensual and materialistic it is about feelings ... and "holy" things giving good feelings..

Constantine paganize Christianity,and put his stamp on it. it became called Roman Catholicism

702 posted on 08/09/2010 9:27:21 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: papertyger

Mangling Scripture is not a good route to truth.


703 posted on 08/09/2010 9:29:35 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bronx2

What a
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
OF AN
ASSERTION!
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704 posted on 08/09/2010 9:30:32 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: RnMomof7
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
WELL DONE!
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ON EAGLE'S WINGS
W PICS

705 posted on 08/09/2010 9:33:58 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: wagglebee
However, Saint Jerome DID NOT exclude the Deuterocanonical books from the Vulgate.

At the urging of others Jerome placed them in the scriptures..BUT in a separate area from the inspired canon for "inspirational " reading ..not doctrine

There was no "official" canon until after the reformation when Rome closed it..

Just consider that the Christian church has no authority to add or subtract anything from the OT ..that was Gods word to the jews... we were never given authority over it

The question is the inspiration of those books.. and that is a Jewish decision.. note also the book of maccabees itself says there was a 400 yr, inter-testimonial period when it notes "there was no prophet in the land"

706 posted on 08/09/2010 9:35:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: wagglebee
Jerome's sublimation is a perfect example of what these protestants lack in a spiritual sense, namely, a sense of humility. What Jesus demands for us is “He who exalts himself will be humbled” but the protestants do not possess the requisite intellectual ability to fathom His words. Their prideful interpretations serve as an impediment to eternal salvation.
707 posted on 08/09/2010 9:41:07 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: bronx2
Presumption?

"Being CONFIDENT of this very thing, that HE which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." (Phil. 1:6).

708 posted on 08/09/2010 9:41:59 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Quix

In what sense can one apply “mangling” to a plain, normative reading of the scripture?

“And I say also to thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church” sounds pretty straightforward to me.

Why add to the scriptures?


709 posted on 08/09/2010 9:42:10 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: RnMomof7
AMEN!
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HILLSONG
WITH ALL I AM

710 posted on 08/09/2010 9:44:59 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bronx2

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2566545/posts?page=706#706


711 posted on 08/09/2010 9:47:03 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: papertyger; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Other Proddys have better outlined the linguistic mangling going on.

LEAD ME TO THE CROSS
HILLSONG

712 posted on 08/09/2010 9:50:10 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: papertyger
In what sense can one apply “mangling” to a plain, normative reading of the scripture? “And I say also to thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church” sounds pretty straightforward to me. Why add to the scriptures?

from Augustine

...Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.
Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327.

713 posted on 08/09/2010 9:50:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
from Augustine
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...Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.
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Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327.

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ABSOLUTELY INDEED! AMEN! When he's right, he's right!

KEITH GREEN
YOUR LOVE BROKE THROUGH

714 posted on 08/09/2010 9:55:27 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: RnMomof7

Great! You’ve found an error of Augustine. Congratulations!


715 posted on 08/09/2010 9:56:46 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: smvoice
"Being
CONFIDENT
of this very thing,
that
HE
which,BR> has begun
a good work
in you
will
perform it
until the day
of Jesus Christ."
(Phil. 1:6).
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2ND CHAPTER OF ACTS
BE STILL MY SOUL

716 posted on 08/09/2010 10:04:43 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Hmmmm....wasn’t it Augustine who claimed the “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 were from the line of Seth?


717 posted on 08/09/2010 10:09:09 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: metmom; roamer_1
Did you check that link? They only read Old Covenant Reading: Zechariah 8:1-23, New Covenant Reading: Ephesians 4:17-32

No Gospels! I wonder why?
718 posted on 08/09/2010 10:09:13 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: smvoice; Iscool
As I said before in post #467 which you did not read:. Christ is the victor over death. We worship Christ who lived, died and rose from the dead for us. Here's the post for your edification once more

Christ died once and for all in space-time for our sins. It’s a common mistake to always equate sacrifice with death. To understand the sacrifice of the Mass, it is essential that one understand the biblical picture of a sacrifice: It is always a gift; it is not always a killing. This is why Scripture can speak of a sacrifice of praise (Hos. 4:12) and the sacrifice of thanksgiving (Ps. 50:14).

Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.

Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.

The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, "This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you." So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didn’t get the job done, then the Mass won’t help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christ—it is the work of Christ.

Isn’t it glorious — the Sacrifice is done, once and for all, the Eucharist is where we experience this once and for all time sacrifice. It’s the Real Presence! Where you experience the personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist! Beautiful isn’t it, being in communion with the Lord in the Lord’s One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church?

719 posted on 08/09/2010 10:10:56 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: RnMomof7

Again, I forgive you.


720 posted on 08/09/2010 10:16:24 AM PDT by TheStickman
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