I try and lie down until it goes away.
Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
INDEED.
SAD.
ok, however, you seek Christ, you can find Him in the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
http://biblos.com/john/3-5.htm
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3&version=NIV
John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
4”How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”
5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
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Being born of water is the physical birth. Verse six lays to rest the contention that eating the Eucharist does anything spiritually.
It sometimes appears that the following verse is too little appreciated or too little understood.
Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Christ died once and for all in space-time for our sins. It’s a common mistake to always equate sacrifice with death. To understand the sacrifice of the Mass, it is essential that one understand the biblical picture of a sacrifice: It is always a gift; it is not always a killing. This is why Scripture can speak of a sacrifice of praise (Hos. 4:12) and the sacrifice of thanksgiving (Ps. 50:14).
Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.
Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.
The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, "This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you." So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didn’t get the job done, then the Mass won’t help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christ—it is the work of Christ.
Isn’t it glorious — the Sacrifice is done, once and for all, the Eucharist is where we experience this once and for all time sacrifice. It’s the Real Presence! Where you experience the personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist! Beautiful isn’t it, being in communion with the Lord in the Lord’s One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church?
I try and lie down until it goes away.
In the Eucharist you get the spiritual food that is Christ, you celebrate the Risen Christ and His one time sacrifice that saved you. You can experience a personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist. Your mind, body, soul, spirit experience Christ in the fullness of Christ, with the blessings of the Father and the care of the Holy Spirit.
I’d have never thought so.
Now . . . I wonder . . .
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Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
NEITHER IN THIS WORLD NOR IN THE WORLD TO COME.
Ever been to an orthodox Lutheran service?
Jesus died, once for all. He conquered sin and death and it no longer has any power over Him.
Our sin cannot corrupt heaven and bring it down by causing Him to suffer any longer.
Anyone who thinks that obviously doesn’t really understand what *It is finished* means.
Pardon me for not adding this in my reply to a member of the Calvinist bunch. I’ve said it before and will repeat it — Traditional, orthodoxy Lutheran services retain orthdoxy and orthodox teaching and I consider them brothers in Christ. They do not have the crazy Calvinist leanings.
Why exactly is it just excerpts? I guess the OPC thinking is why have all the nasty stuff like the letter of James or the Gospels or the OT.
In contrast, you can come to Christ's One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church and read the entire Bible, in the fullness of Christ
Every Sunday? How do they manage that in 45 - 50 minutes?
Or are you criticizing the OPC for not reading the entire Bible every Sunday during worship service?
Does the Catholic church also not read only excerpts each Sunday?
Just like Matt 16:18 establishes Peter as the rock on which Christ builds his Church.
What part of you faith-system justifies being disrespectful to others or mocking them?
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