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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: NYer

YOU telling a Christan about salvation! LOL!

Being so excited that you didn’t KNOW Iscool already mentioned his baptism by fire!

Settle down NY’er.


421 posted on 08/08/2010 2:05:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Cronos
This is just an observation I've made reading these kinds of Threads. One leaves the Catholic Church to become something else. One leaves something else to join the Catholic Church.

There seem to be two reasons for these. Those who want freedom from authority, and those who desire authority. Those two reasons lead to a completely different path in life and redemption, of course, but it remains that authority or freedom are the driving forces.

422 posted on 08/08/2010 2:07:15 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Cronos

You know what’s funny about that is that the testimony we read of those who have converted to Romanism, on this forum, the answer given for their conversion relates to some existential experience that relates to the Roman mass.

Methinks that the Romanists and Pent-E-costals have much in common and only the form differs.


423 posted on 08/08/2010 2:10:21 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: smvoice; Legatus
Well, of course, Christ's people as in Christ's Church, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church will be with Christ yes. All heresies don't remain -- some like Arianism have already died out, while others like the original Anglicans and lutherans and Presbys and Calvinistas are dying. Even the new 19th and 20th century groupings (OPC, Baptist groupings, Pentecostals, etc) will die out soon as their half-life seems shortened each generation.

Instead, you can come and experience the fullness of Christ in Christ's Church, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Come, seek Christ.
424 posted on 08/08/2010 2:12:00 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: presently no screen name; NYer; Iscool
"Iscool already mentioned his baptism by fire"

Ok, whatever you and Iscool's various non-Christian groups want to do, go ahead, it's a free country. When you want to experience the fullness of Christ and to experience a personal relationship with Christ, come to mass and experience Christ during the Eucharist. You can still reject the fire-worshippers and come to Christ in His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
425 posted on 08/08/2010 2:15:06 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

You CAN’T be a believer in God’s Church - HIS WORd says by GRACE through FAITH are you saved and NOT oF WORKS.

The RCC says works are needed.

I won’t go into the heretic teachings of Mary being more than a faithful servant - and you needing purgatory, praying to the dead.

You can claim all you want since it’s obvious you need to hang onto something. It gives you comfort here - but that’s only for a moment.


426 posted on 08/08/2010 2:15:31 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Cronos

Heresies all evolve from the same place. the god of this world. They really don’t die so much as change, from one false doctrine to another. But in the end it’s all the same. Antichrist.


427 posted on 08/08/2010 2:16:08 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice
Yes, there are those who want freedom from God and His authority. These folks leave or do not come to the Catholic Church where one can experience life in God's authority, in Christ's Church

If one does not come to God, then one either rejects authority completely or takes the authority of some pastor to follow and the latter can lead to the former.
428 posted on 08/08/2010 2:17:57 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos
His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

Been there - DONE THAT and SAID that and have REPENTED!

The TRUTH set me FREE! THANK YOU, JESUS!
429 posted on 08/08/2010 2:19:55 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ak267
His disciples were not the first "Catholics." If you have forgotten, the name of your church is the "Roman" Catholic Church. There is a possibility, though little evidence, that Peter was in Rome. But none of the other Twelve (Paul being a Thirteenth) were ever in Rome.

And, lest you forget, for the first 1000 years of the church, there were four other co-equal patriarchs in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople. After the Great Schism in AD1054, when the Patriarch of Rome took it upon himself to excommunicate the other four over theological and ecclesiastical issues, not the least was the contention by the Roman Patriarch that he was supreme, he Patriarch of Rome assumed he was the role of Supreme Pontiff. There is a vast part of Orthodox Christendom that disagrees with that position, to say nothing of the millions of Protestants who disagree also.

By the way, the Roman Catholic Church did not give the Church the Bible, God spoke through over 40 authors, and apart from Peter and Paul, were never anywhere near Rome.

430 posted on 08/08/2010 2:22:34 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("It's the peoples' seat!")
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To: smvoice
Heresies all evolve from the same place. the god of this world.

Yes, we've seen this as behind Marcionism, Arianism, Gnosticism and the Protestant groupings. Luckily the god of this world is weak compared to Our Lord, Jesus Christ. Hence Jesus Christ's Church, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church survives for the past 2000 years while all the heresies die out.

The first generation Protestant groupings are dying. The 4th and 5th generations like the various Pentecostals, Baptists, etc have a shorter lifespan and are dying out too -- with new sub-sub-sub-groups formign and dying.

The heresies DO die out and you have new ones under new pastors coming out with different false doctrines -- though these are all just rehashing of the older heresies (as the enemy of The Catholic Church is not very smart and just rehashes old heresies like the Baptists, Pentecostal-Montanites etc.)

You're right that all of these "Evngelicl" groups are the same, AntiChrist, good point.

There is still time for all to be saved in Christ and to experience a true personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist, in Christ's One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church
431 posted on 08/08/2010 2:23:23 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos
I was hoping you would comment on authority. Small "a", man's authority. Those who seek "authority", who want to be under the authority of someone seemingly in charge, telling them what God says, wants, demands, desires, will see the Catholic Church and want that authority.

Those who desire freedom from "authority" and believe God's Word is the Final Authority, will flee doctrines of men and tradition, and seek God's Authority in His Word. And they will find it. It's there. It's been there all along. Waiting to be revealed to those who seek and believe.

432 posted on 08/08/2010 2:24:07 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: presently no screen name
You said that and you repented and joined Christ in Christ's One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church?! Hallelujah! Congratulations on experiencing the fullness of Christ and havign a personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist. Isn't it marvellous being in The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ and looked after by the Holy Spirit -- as it has for 2000 years?

The TRUTH sets us FREE! THANK YOU, JESUS! Thank you for brigning pnsm to Christ's One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church!
433 posted on 08/08/2010 2:26:19 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"These "Tiber" stories are fabricated PR repeated over and over as if they were somehow new and spontaneous."

So instead of directly citing the flawed Pew Report you are now citing news paper accounts of the Pew report published in a paper owned by the Rev. Sung Myung Moon. Have you crossed the Han River instead of the Tiber and become a Moonie?

434 posted on 08/08/2010 2:26:30 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: verga
"You're like a dog with a bone, but you keep forgetting that thousands more Prots voted for obozo."

There are lies, damned lies, and anti-Catholics.....

435 posted on 08/08/2010 2:29:49 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Larry Lucido
"I’m sure there are elect Catholics and (gasp!) non-elect Calvinists."

And they will be judged by their works (doh!).

436 posted on 08/08/2010 2:32:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: LiteKeeper; ak267
The name "Catholic Church" appears in the title of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and is also the term that Paul VI used when signing the documents of the Second Vatican Council.

This is the Church of The Apostles of Christ, the Church founded BY Christ and cared for by the Holy Spirit.

The Apostles went to the ends of the Earth setting up the Church -- whether to Asia Minor and the Ukraine (St. Andrew) or India (St. Thomas) where all teach and have taught orthodoxy

The councils of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (consisting of the Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental and Assyrian Churches) compiled the Bible through the grace of the Holy Spirit in the Councils.

hallelujah! God is in His Church, caring over it with His Holy Spirit and where we experience a personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist. Come, come to the fullness of Christ
437 posted on 08/08/2010 2:33:03 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos; presently no screen name; NYer; Iscool

Firewalking and fireworship eh? Odd.


438 posted on 08/08/2010 2:36:53 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Cronos
Actually, we've seen heresies and heretics since the time of Nimrod. A cult started by Nimrod and his wife, Semiramis spread among all nations at that time. They worshipped the Supreme Father, the Incarnate Female, or Queen of Heaven, and her Son. The cult claimed the highest wisdom and the most divine secrets. They had confessions to priests in their cult and mysterious rites.

And the cult did not die. It just tranformed itself into another religion, as time passed and the chance to do so presented itself.

440 posted on 08/08/2010 2:37:09 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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