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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
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| August 6, 2010
| Michael Barber
Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals Crossing the Tiber to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."
As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.
Here's the story as Fitzgerald
reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the colleges statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism. Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .
. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents conversion (anything that happens in a childs life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being saved, I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.
And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic. The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.
Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnights list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church, according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.
Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?
McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the Internet Monk) about his wifes conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented return to Rome. Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The Kings College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.
The Kings College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend Kings are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC studentsand indeed many young evangelicals at largeare its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.
Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The Kings College was not the only major change in Croslows life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.
Croslows interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslows Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as a crisis of spiritual authority. As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers intentions. He asks, If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that hed attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston? The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding No.
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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: ansel12
Further by your logic it was Catholics that put in Both Bushes and Reagan, 2o years of conervativism vs 12 years of obozo and Clinton.
When are you going to give us credit for that?
361
posted on
08/08/2010 10:40:22 AM PDT
by
verga
(I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
To: NYer
Peter mentioned this transformation from sin to grace when he exhorted people to "be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38).You have trouble quoting the entire verse???
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Repent, Repent, Repent...That means turn to Jesus...No baptism is valid without turning to Jesus first...
Since all Catholics have been baptized, all Catholics have been born again. Are you born againthe way the Bible understands that concept? Unless you have been baptized with water, then you have not been "born again" as described in the Bible, regardless of what you believe in your heart.
The bible doesn't understand a concept...The bible teaches concepts...And you guys haven't been paying attention...
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost...NOT the Holy Ghost and water...Just the Holy Ghost as opposed to water...
362
posted on
08/08/2010 10:44:25 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: vladimir998
Clearly it makes sense to those who do it. They love the truth.Nope...The truth was made available to them...They didn't want that truth...They never got saved...They move on to another religion looking for a truth that fits their preconception of religion...
363
posted on
08/08/2010 10:47:02 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: TheStickman
Thanks for the honest reply...
This rebirth is repeated every time I receive the Sacraments for which I am so blessed & thankful to receive.
This doesn't jibe with the scriptures...No one gets born again, again...
Once you are adopted into the body of Jesus Christ, you can't get un-adopted...
364
posted on
08/08/2010 10:54:00 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: verga
The question is not a childish question of why don’t the many, many tens of millions of diverse, non Catholic Christians vote in 100% cult like unity which is impossible, but what is it about Protestantism that has always made the majority of them conservative voters, and makes them pro-life voters.
The question is not why do millions of Catholic Christians vote in 100% cult like unity which is impossible, but what is it about Catholicism that has always made the majority of them liberal voters and makes them pro-abortion voters.
Surely all conservatives recognize a problem when Catholicism creates mostly liberal, pro-abortion, Democrat voters, and we are being flooded by more Mexican Catholics, if we don’t figure how to overcome something about American Catholicism and liberalism, then we are finished.
We need conservative American Catholics to examine the question and come up with answers that would work within their Rome based institution’s level of acceptance.
365
posted on
08/08/2010 11:02:14 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
To: LiteKeeper
You might want to read Scott Hahn’s books on his faith journey. It will give you insight into why someone might convert from Protestantism to Catholicism. His love for God, his search for truth, and his painful journey are sincere and would satisfy your curiosity.
366
posted on
08/08/2010 11:14:50 AM PDT
by
Melian
( God is even kinder than you think. ~St. Teresa)
To: ansel12
The 2008 vote was typical, Protestants voting Republican like the always do You're forgetting your black Protestant brethren.
367
posted on
08/08/2010 11:14:50 AM PDT
by
Lorica
To: verga
You are correct, Catholics voted with Protestants in 1972, 1980, 1984 and 1988, and 2004, they also joined protestants in 1994 by voting 52% for a Republican congress which stunned the Democrat party after a perfect record for so many generations, this is a major concern to the pro-abortion movement and the Democrat party in general. That is five Republican votes out of 20 plus elections and they have all been in the last 38 years.
It is a good sign and is probably driven by devout white Catholics that have chosen a pro-life position over their liberal/moderate politics, but it is a little too late, because their generations of voting before has already guaranteed that they will be replace by non white Catholics from Latin America, so the Democrats will continue to win the Catholic vote unless some kind of a radical, hard nosed revival is led to Americanize the American Catholic church and make it conservative.
We need to find out what makes an Hispanic that leaves the Catholic church and joins a Protestant church become a political, pro-life conservative voter, and then we need to work that into the Catholicism of America.
368
posted on
08/08/2010 11:21:07 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
To: Lorica
You're forgetting your black Protestant brethren. HUH? They are always included in the Protestant vote totals.
369
posted on
08/08/2010 11:25:03 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
To: Salvation
We Catholics can only benefit from this infusion of converts who loved God, His Word, and objective Truth enough to walk the path to us.
These will be thinking individuals who examine the Word closely enough to see the real truth. They will, by default, be conservative Catholics, in my opinion.
The poor Catholics who leave for other religions are simply the weak, ignorant, or willful ones. The churches they enter may have enough to offer to heal their hurts; but they’ll never have the fullness of the Truth or the Eucharist. They’ll certainly think they’re happier, because they can now feel sure they are “saved” even as they interpret the rules to their own personal satisfaction.
The gate is narrow and the path to it has not changed since the time of the Apostles. Some seed falls on good soil, takes root, but then withers or is snatched away by birds.
I thank God for all the new converts who have discovered the fulfillment the Eucharist can bring. It is all about the Eucharist, as we learned in John 6.
370
posted on
08/08/2010 11:25:18 AM PDT
by
Melian
( God is even kinder than you think. ~St. Teresa)
To: Iscool
Sorry you don’t understand the Truth about Catholicism, the Sacraments and the Grace God pours down upon us. My conversion never ends & I am thankful for the rebirth given to us in the Sacraments.
I never suggested I was ever “unadopted”. That’s your term used to define something about me & the Catholic Church. Not what really happens.
Peace be with you always!
To: ansel12
HUH? They are always included in the Protestant vote totals. The poll I saw (Pew, maybe?) only counted the white Protestant vote. Given that blacks are overwhelmingly Protestant and voted overwhelmingly for Obama, I don't think they could have been factored into the overall Protestant vote. Maybe so, because of the difference in population percentage, but if you have some stats, it would be interesting to take a look at them.
372
posted on
08/08/2010 11:33:41 AM PDT
by
Lorica
To: RnMomof7; Irisshlass; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
“I asked that because I know what the church teaches on this ...”
I doubt that.
“...it is hypocritical to criticize me for saying they were not saved when the church they joined tells them they can not know until they die ..”
Why? Who made you the Judge of men’s souls?
“..in the Catholic church there is no eternal security ...”
An absolute falsehood.
“...so what difference does it make if they are unsaved.. as far as the church is concerned everyone is...”
An incoherent ramble.
Very sad. Very, very sad.
373
posted on
08/08/2010 11:38:37 AM PDT
by
narses
( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
To: fish hawk; RnMomof7; metmom; smvoice
Hard to believe that some who already have a ticket to Heaven want to get off the train and work their way there. That is what happens when you dont know Bible Doctrine.AMEN!
These "Tiber" stories are fabricated PR repeated over and over as if they were somehow new and spontaneous.
The truth is four times as many RCs leave the RC church as new members enter it. The RCC is dwindling, not expanding. Parochial schools and RC seminaries are closing all across the country. People are waking up to the fact their church offerings aren't going to the poor and needy, but to pay for the legal defenses of pedophile priests.
CATHOLIC TRADITION FADING IN US
(Evangelical Protestants Now Outnumber Catholics)
374
posted on
08/08/2010 11:45:39 AM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: metmom
You wrote:
“What have we here? Another example of Catholic compassion and charity?”
It is more compassionate and charitable than lying as anti-Catholics do here every day.
“Catholics are their own worst enemy.”
Perhaps we are, but at least we aren’t lying. Anti-Catholics lie here every day.
375
posted on
08/08/2010 11:49:48 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
To: narses
So then are you saved? Do you know for certain that you will leave this life and go to heaven ?
To: Lorica
Stats for what, the overall Protestant vote in America since 1928 that includes blacks in the total, it always does. The 46% of Protestants that voted for Obama in 2008 includes the black voters.
Blacks are always included in the Protestant vote unless a study is specifically separating out for race.
The Protestants (including the black Protestants as part of the total) have only voted Democrat in 1932, 1936 and 1964 going back to before 1928.
People don’t realize that FDR was depending on massive Catholic support in 1940 and 1944, Protestants were voting Republican again after having strayed in 32 and 36.
377
posted on
08/08/2010 11:50:33 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
To: TheStickman; Iscool
Sorry you dont understand the Truth about Catholicism, the Sacraments and the Grace God pours down upon us. My conversion never ends & I am thankful for the rebirth given to us in the Sacraments.Could you define grace? Also how many times is a catholic "born again " through the sacraments ...and do you have scripture on that ?
To: RnMomof7
Great post, RnMomof7!
As we can see, many "church fathers" understood the correct make-up of the Bible.
The Roman Catholic writer Joseph A. Fitzmyer points out that Luther was not the only one to translate Romans 3:28 with the word alone.
At 3:28 Luther introduced the adv. only into his translation of Romans (1522), alleyn durch den Glauben (WAusg 7.38); cf. Aus der Bibel 1546, alleine durch den Glauben (WAusg, DB 7.39); also 7.3-27 (Pref. to the Epistle). See further his Sendbrief vom Dolmetschen, of 8 Sept. 1530 (WAusg 30.2 [1909], 627-49; On Translating: An Open Letter [LuthW 35.175-202]). Although alleyn/alleine finds no corresponding adverb in the Greek text, two of the points that Luther made in his defense of the added adverb were that it was demanded by the context and that sola was used in the theological tradition before him.
AMEN!
The Scriptures testify over and over that men are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for God's glory alone.
379
posted on
08/08/2010 11:56:06 AM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Iscool
You wrote:
“Nope...The truth was made available to them...”
Only a portion of it. Protestantism is only a portion of the truth of Christianity mixed in with lies. Most converts only discovered the full truth when they came to know the Catholic faith. That is what they themselves often say.
“They didn’t want that truth...”
Actually they did - and they found it as Catholics. They never knew the full truth before.
“They never got saved...”
By Protestants standards, they did. The fact that Protestants now deny that their fellow (but former) Protestants were ever saved just shows what a lie Protestantism is. Essentially it is a scam. Protestants, however, must keep up this pretension or else the sham of their sects will be noticed by their faithful. Protestants must keep up their smoke and mirrors.
“They move on to another religion looking for a truth that fits their preconception of religion...”
No, Protestantism was their preconception. Now they know the truth.
380
posted on
08/08/2010 12:00:45 PM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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