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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: MamaB
When the Catholic church quits allowing its members to be pro-abortion, then you can start worrying about another denomination.

Catholics are not allowed to be pro-abortion, but there is not a single Protestant Church that has an official stacne against abortion or ABC, not one.

301 posted on 08/08/2010 4:19:48 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Iscool
Why would a person who is saved, has a personal relationship with Jesus, move on to the Catholic church where a personal relationship with Jesus is mocked in the Catholic religion???

Catholics are the only ones that do have a true personal relationship with Jesus. It happens every time we consume him in the Eucharist. Every Protestant religion denies the Real presence, they have a personal relationship with a metaphor.

302 posted on 08/08/2010 4:30:36 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: narses

When push comes to shove, a world-view trumps a navel-view. Too often, evangelical Christians present and understand their faith in Schleiermacher’s terms, as a sub-rational intense experience. When life throws a curve-ball at you, though, and your experiences are contradicting your expectations, it takes cold, hard, theological facts to keep your life on track. If the pulpit does not offer content, our people will go where they can find some.

In another trend, many thoughtful evangelicals are also embracing the more rigorous and fact-oriented branch of our own tradition, the Calvinist approach to understanding “life, the universe, and everything.” This is causing some turmoil among Baptists — Ergun Caner, the recently disgraced and demoted dean of the Liberty University School of Theology had a passion for impugning Calvinists.


303 posted on 08/08/2010 4:30:45 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: Iscool; TheStickman
Were you a saved, born again Christian before you converted to Catholicism???

Yes!

Catholics and Protestants agree that to be saved, you have to be born again. Jesus said so: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3). n the water-and-Spirit rebirth that takes place at baptism, the repentant sinner is transformed from a state of sin to the state of grace. Peter mentioned this transformation from sin to grace when he exhorted people to "be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38).

Paul reminds us in Titus 3:5 that God "saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit." Paul also said, "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life" (Rom. 6:3–4). This teaching—that baptism unites us with Christ’s death and resurrection so that we might die to sin and receive new life—is a key part of Paul’s theology. In Colossians 2:11–13, he tells us, "In [Christ] you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision [of] Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ" (NIV).

Since all Catholics have been baptized, all Catholics have been born again. Are you born again—the way the Bible understands that concept? Unless you have been baptized with water, then you have not been "born again" as described in the Bible, regardless of what you believe in your heart.

304 posted on 08/08/2010 4:34:27 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: ansel12
Again why name two individuals as though that is meaningful, Protestants voted against both of them, and Catholics voted for both of them, IT IS THE VOTER THAT COUNTS.

Because these are the ones that lead. These are Prots that publically support abortions and influenece the rest. In short they speak for ALL protestants wether they are Evangelical protestants or CINO protestants.

This has been explained a dozen times CATHOLICS Don't vote proabortion, but Prots and CINO's do.

305 posted on 08/08/2010 4:41:22 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“It wouldn’t make any sense...”

Clearly it makes sense to those who do it. They love the truth. Anti-Catholics hate the truth.


306 posted on 08/08/2010 4:44:58 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: boatbums

You wrote:

“Totally missed the point!”

Nope. Sects started to uphold slavery and racism will never get it right. They were started by men, not God.


307 posted on 08/08/2010 4:46:41 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ansel12; Alamo-Girl
But each individual only gets one vote regardless of where he lives.

You are forgetting Chicago, where they get up to 10 votes and more after they are dead

308 posted on 08/08/2010 4:48:46 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: metmom

You wrote:

“How disingenuous of you. Your not so subtle rewording of what she posted is dishonest.”

I didn’t reword anything - that’s a quote from the SBC. Maybe you should learn to read. That’s why I have the year in front of it.

“The SB position is not that of merely *the mother’s life is in danger*, but says, *immediately threatened*. There’s a huge difference there.”

Not really. If there is no threat then there is no danger. ANd the end result is the same: the SBC is not pro-life, but pro-abortion. The SBC supports the culture of death. There are no half measures here.

“If the mother’s life was immediately threatened (and I can only think of one situation where a pregnancy could immediately threaten a mother’s life and that’s an ectopic pregnancy), does the Catholic church prefer that they both die?”

The Catholic Church prefers that no one ever be murdered. Period. The SBCs would rather murder the baby.


309 posted on 08/08/2010 4:53:29 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Iscool

Nope. I was a depraved person. Full of evil and darkness before I attended my 1st Mass. I am thankful the Lord used that Mass to bring me back again & again.

By the Grace of Our Heavenly Father, through the Sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ I HAVE been “born again”. This rebirth is repeated every time I receive the Sacraments for which I am so blessed & thankful to receive.


310 posted on 08/08/2010 5:03:42 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: LiteKeeper
Deeds demonstrate the reality of your faith.

So as a pastor, if you have congregant who by faith finds Christ but stops attending Sunday service, and says it's unnecessary to read the Bible, you are going to tell him . . .?

Our salvation is purely the grace of God, and (not) of works.

I don't understand why you think this is different than Catholic teaching. All the work was done by Christ. Obviously, though there are positive commands that He gave us to follow "go ye thereforth" "take this all of you and eat it" "not forsaking the assembly of ourselves (via Paul)" etc., and of course love God and love your neighbor.

311 posted on 08/08/2010 5:34:35 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: metmom
No, because the penalty for sin was paid. There's no sin left to pay for, for someone who has been forgiven.

That is true, the penalty for sin has been paid. But deeds are obviously still necessary. If they were not, Christ would not have commanded us to act.

312 posted on 08/08/2010 5:36:49 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: RnMomof7
The issue is not how many that swim the tiber.. the answer is simple.. they are not saved.

What happened to the error of "Once saved, always saved"?

Saved on Monday, hell on Tuesday? But what about the rest of the week?

313 posted on 08/08/2010 6:11:00 AM PDT by AnneM62
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To: NYer
They may well have stumbled upon Mother Angelica and learned the importance of reading the Gospels as opposed to limiting their reading to St. Paul

It's frightening isn't it? I spoke with a 30 yr. old evangelical a few months back. He told me that the Gospels were for the Jews only and didn't apply to Christians. (ultra or hyper dispensationalism, I believe) I asked him about the prayer that Our Lord taught us. He grinned and shook his head NO, NO, NO...not a Christian prayer. Oddly enough though, I did convince him of works. Go figure.

314 posted on 08/08/2010 6:11:05 AM PDT by AnneM62
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To: joelt
For however much this is true, many more have left Catholicism to go Evangelical over the past decades

The liberal catholics who don't like rules will stay Evangelical and will destroy from within. The conservatives come back to the Church.

315 posted on 08/08/2010 6:11:07 AM PDT by AnneM62
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To: verga

LOLOL!


316 posted on 08/08/2010 6:31:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ak267

How can you see, just out of curiosity?


317 posted on 08/08/2010 7:16:21 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ansel12
The Catholic church accepts an Evangelical convert's original Baptism.

Which original baptism? The one in or from a non-Catholic church?

318 posted on 08/08/2010 7:19:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
your question “Where does it state...” — evidently you have not read the excerpted bible as used by some groupings. You probably know that Luther removed a few books from the Bible and added the word “alone” to fide. But the sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-denominations since then have gone much further. You now have the OPC which has a 14 page booklet bible that has just excerpts (why have all the nasty stuff like the letter of James or the Gospels or the OT). And, it is probably edited so that the verse you cited is there.

What are you saying? That that's all they use, as opposed to it being just a pocket Bible?

319 posted on 08/08/2010 7:21:57 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jeffc
I wonder if a number of these conversions are because some who walk with Christ feel that alot of Protestant denominations are leaning more secular and liberal with each passing year

It's possible that many are hungering for a liturgical form of worship not found in the fellowship model of evangelical congregations. The soul hungers for vertical worship focused on the Most High God, present in the Mass and on the altar in a way that the horizontal focus of group fellowship is not and can never be. The soul hungers for liturgical seasons following the ebb and flow of life; the penitential season of Lent, the waiting season of Advent, the rejoicing of Easter and yes, even Ordinary Time. There are "seasons" in every day, which anchor a soul and bring its focus back to God at fixed times, whether it be daily Mass, the Angelus, Liturgy of the Hours, etc. Beauty in Truth.

I believe firmly that liberals, socialists, fascists, and communists are bent on turning Christian denominations into their version of what a church should be

It has been their goal for over 100 years now, and they've been content with incremental advances, so long as the forward motion continues.

320 posted on 08/08/2010 7:23:16 AM PDT by Lorica
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