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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: Legatus
Well the poor do need to be helped... and for anyone to use that as an excuse to vote for a democrat is just mind-boggling. I hope you realize those people are idiots, religious affiliation not-withstanding.

And yet that was their rationale. I think that the reason that we're in the government mess we're in today in regards to social programs, is in large part due to the church's (and not just Catholics, but ALL Christian denominations) abdication of their obligation to help the poor. You're absolutely right. Voting the responsibility off to the government is NOT fulfilling that command of Christ's

Now I'd like to think that all Catholics, or even all practicing Catholics at least in the United States are fully aware of what the Church teaches about abortion...

You know, that's what the rest of us couldn't understand about why those Catholics voted Dem. Their response was *Yeah, but....*

Come to think of it, I STILL haven't figured out how Catholics continue to do it.

The reason that I see the Catholic vote as the tipping point in the elections, is that not every denomination which is labeled Protestant, really believes the Bible. Many of them have abandoned the truth of it and deny the virgin birth, the atonement, the incarnation, etc. It doesn't surprise me any that they vote liberal.

What does continue to confound me is the Catholics who vote like that in spite of the church's position on the issue.

321 posted on 08/08/2010 7:31:08 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos

Would it break your heart to know that Luther didn’t remove any books from the Bible? He merely placed the Apochrypha between the Old and New Testaments.


322 posted on 08/08/2010 7:32:14 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Legatus

FWIW, the one person who voted the most staunchly Democrat was brilliant, a very committed practicing Catholic who really knew what he believed, and was the one of the few people (a handful, literally) who I ever met in my life who I trusted completely in every area of life.

I could have given him a million dollars cash to take care of for me and return it in a year and I’d get it back, with interest. Tremendous integrity. But I could never figure out his voting practices.


323 posted on 08/08/2010 7:35:53 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ansel12

I can’t help but wonder that if the Catholic church recognizes the baptisms of other denominations as valid, do they consider them Catholic by default and count them as members? Part of that one billion strong?


324 posted on 08/08/2010 7:37:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: napscoordinator; ansel12; vladimir998
You told that snot nose creep. Good for you Vladimir998!!!!

What have we here? Another example of Catholic compassion and charity?

Catholics are their own worst enemy.

325 posted on 08/08/2010 7:39:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AnneM62; ansel12
The liberal catholics who don't like rules will stay Evangelical and will destroy from within. The conservatives come back to the Church.

And those are the ones that will push the prot vote over the vaunted 50% that votre for the Dimmies. Funny how the fundies ignore the fact that, most jews voted for Obozo and that ACTUAL real numbers of prots are the ones that put him into office.

326 posted on 08/08/2010 7:40:16 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: napscoordinator; Salvation; ansel12

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2566545/posts?page=231#231

It was not brilliant. It was wrong.


327 posted on 08/08/2010 7:41:12 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The only 2008 evangelical voting percentage I’ve seen has been for white evangelicals. I’ve not seen the percentage for black evangelicals, but it’s well known the black vote went overwhelmingly for Obama. It would be very interesting to see the percentages combined.


328 posted on 08/08/2010 7:41:40 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: metmom; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
Yup. If you check link to one example you will see that for Sunday, June 20th, 2010 (the only worship bulletin on the site), they only read Old Covenant Reading: Zechariah 8:1-23, New Covenant Reading: Ephesians 4:17-32

Now how many of their pages are illustrated only, is a good question
329 posted on 08/08/2010 7:53:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix
True, it is funny watching those outside Christ's Church attack it. And that's why it's interesting reading Scot McKnight's From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals Become Roman Catholic." as referenced in this article, he points out trends and patterns among those who have converted from Evangelicalism to Catholicism.

This is a pretty impartial book in the sense that McKnight does not evaluate the validity or give his own opinion on which is better, he just notes down the reasons given, with none of his own opinion added, so it is interesting as a statistician's question WHY?

McKnight points out that the typical convert to The Church goes through an "institutional transition" where they usually do not view themselves as converting to faith in Christ when they become Catholic; rather, they see themselves as transitioning to the fullness of the Christian faith. "In nearly every case, the convert believes that he or she has 'come home' or 'entered the fullness of the faith' or has experienced conversion to the 'truth of the Catholic faith.'"

One of the converts David Currie says
"I see my decision [to convert to RC] as a natural outgrowth of my Evangelical commitment."
or Stephen K Ray, most
"read' my way back to the Catholic Church. When I started reading books about what the church actually taught, I was forced to give up many mischaracterizations of her teachings. Indeed, I was struck by the sheer depths of the historical, and biblical arguments in favor of the Catholic faith.
Most converts from Evangelicalism, according to this book experience "a desire for transcendance"

This desire for transcendence usually takes four forms:
(1) a desire for certainty;
(2) a desire for history;
(3) a desire for unity; and
(4) a desire for authority.

(1) Certainty This desire for full knowledge of truth spurs many converts to The Church to reject what they consider to be the "doctrinal mayhem" and "choose-your-own-church syndrome". They have a desire for knowledge that they believe is possible within Catholicism but not within Protestantism.

(2) History McKnight observes that many feel a "historical disenfranchisement" with Protestantism and want to be connected to the entire history of the Christian church and not just the period since the Reformation.

(3) Unity Most converts are disturbed by the divisions and countless denominations within Protestantism. McKnight quotes Peter Cram who
describes Protestantism as "one long, continuous line of protesters protesting against their fellow protesters, generating thousands of denominations, para-churches, and 'free churches,' which are simply one-church denominations."
Converts instead look to the unity of the Roman Catholic Church.

(4)Authority
Converts are disturbed by either 1. the lack of authority in the denominations or authority vested in a pastor with no real credentials (see David Koresh) besides charisma. And in both these cases there is no tie back, the group of the pastor dies with the pastor. They prefer the authority of Christ as vested by Him in His apostles.

330 posted on 08/08/2010 7:55:20 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cvengr
You evidently don't know that that is St. Peter's cross, right?

See, that is why we say over and over again that the detractors of Christ's Church need to read more their bibles, and history -- Church and secular

To quote from the Wikipedia article (and there are better sources out there as well that you can refer):

The Cross of St. Peter (officially known as the Petrine Cross or colloquially Peter's Cross) is an inverted Latin cross traditionally used as a Christian symbol, but in recent times also used widely as an anti-Christ symbol, a meaning which is not valid with respect to traditional conventions of Christian symbolism.

Contents

[edit] In Christianity

Crucifixion of Peter by Caravaggio
Peter's Cross on a Lutheran Church

The origin of this symbol comes from the Catholic tradition that Simon Peter was crucified upside down, as told by Origen of Alexandria. The tradition first appears in the "Martyrdom of Peter," a fragmented text found in, but likely predating, the apocryphal Acts of Peter, which was written no later than 200 A.D. It is believed that Peter requested this form of crucifixion as he felt he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner that Christ died (upright). As such, some Catholics use this cross as a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Christ.

According to Roman Catholicism, the Pope is Peter's successor as Bishop of Rome. Therefore the Papacy is often represented by symbols that are also used to represent Peter — one example being the Keys of Heaven, another the Petrine Cross. During Pope John Paul II's visit to Israel, he sat on a chair with the Cross of Peter cut into the back.[1]

The inverted cross is also one of the traditional symbols used by Petrine Orthodox Sebomenoi.

[edit] Satanic and anti-Christian imagery

It has also often become associated with Satanic and anti-religious attitudes, as it is considered to represent the opposite of Christianity by inverting its primary symbol, the Latin Cross. As a result, this symbol has become very popular within anti-religion groups and among some extreme metal musicians, notably black metal and death metal ones. In popular culture, including films such as Rosemary's Baby, The Exorcism of Emily Rose and The Omen, Petrine Crosses are often displayed to represent Satan.

[edit] Controversy

In Roman Catholicism the Petrine Cross is not seen as Satanic in any way. However, an inverted crucifix (a Latin cross with an artistic depiction of the crucified body of Christ upon it) is seen as immensely disrespectful, and could be used to represent Satanic forces. The distinction between a Cross of Peter and upturned Crucifix is sometimes obscured, leading to confusion about the acceptability of each symbol. This was seen when controversy arose over the aforementioned Papal visit to Israel; pictures of the Pope sitting before a Petrine Cross were widely circulated on the Internet in an attempt to prove that the Catholic Church is associated with Satanism and the Antichrist

331 posted on 08/08/2010 7:58:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: metmom; napscoordinator; Salvation; ansel12

Well, if you think it is wrong for Catholics to protest outside abortion clinics, that is your opinion.


332 posted on 08/08/2010 8:00:33 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: metmom; napscoordinator; ansel12; vladimir998

True, and yet can you believe it, the Church survived 2000 years DESPITE this!?! Wow — and all the heresies died out within 500 years. And now the Protestant heresies are dying out. Hooray! Praise the Lord!


333 posted on 08/08/2010 8:01:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos; metmom; smvoice; Dr. Eckleburg
your question “Where does it state...” — evidently you have not read the excerpted bible as used by some groupings. You probably know that Luther removed a few books from the Bible and added the word “alone” to fide. But the sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-denominations since then have gone much further. You now have the OPC which has a 14 page booklet bible that has just excerpts (why have all the nasty stuff like the letter of James or the Gospels or the OT). And, it is probably edited so that the verse you cited is there.

Please list the books Luther removed from the bible. .

Now to the word alone... Luther responds thusly

“Furthermore, I am not the only one, nor the first, to say that faith alone makes one righteous. There was Ambrose, Augustine and many others who said it before me.”

The Roman Catholic writer Joseph A. Fitzmyer points out that Luther was not the only one to translate Romans 3:28 with the word “alone.”

At 3:28 Luther introduced the adv. “only” into his translation of Romans (1522), “alleyn durch den Glauben” (WAusg 7.38); cf. Aus der Bibel 1546, “alleine durch den Glauben” (WAusg, DB 7.39); also 7.3-27 (Pref. to the Epistle). See further his Sendbrief vom Dolmetschen, of 8 Sept. 1530 (WAusg 30.2 [1909], 627-49; “On Translating: An Open Letter” [LuthW 35.175-202]). Although “alleyn/alleine” finds no corresponding adverb in the Greek text, two of the points that Luther made in his defense of the added adverb were that it was demanded by the context and that sola was used in the theological tradition before him.

Robert Bellarmine listed eight earlier authors who used sola (Disputatio de controversiis: De justificatione 1.25 [Naples: G. Giuliano, 1856], 4.501-3):

Origen, Commentarius in Ep. ad Romanos, cap. 3 (PG 14.952).

Hilary, Commentarius in Matthaeum 8:6 (PL 9.961).

Basil, Hom. de humilitate 20.3 (PG 31.529C).

Ambrosiaster, In Ep. ad Romanos 3.24 (CSEL 81.1.119): “sola fide justificati sunt dono Dei,” through faith alone they have been justified by a gift of God; 4.5 (CSEL 81.1.130).

John Chrysostom, Hom. in Ep. ad Titum 3.3 (PG 62.679 [not in Greek text]).

Cyril of Alexandria, In Joannis Evangelium 10.15.7 (PG 74.368 [but alludes to Jas 2:19]).

Bernard, In Canticum serm. 22.8 (PL 183.881): “solam justificatur per fidem,” is justified by faith alone.

Theophylact, Expositio in ep. ad Galatas 3.12-13 (PG 124.988).

Now you were saying what?

334 posted on 08/08/2010 8:08:44 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Cronos
and the god of this world just smiles. how very unfortunate there could be two meanings. and yet another coincidence in our misunderstanding.
335 posted on 08/08/2010 8:11:29 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: narses
.. the answer is simple.. they are not saved..
ROTFLMAO! You now can judge the state of men's souls?

Are you saved?

336 posted on 08/08/2010 8:27:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: boatbums
The saved became part of the body, the church, when they believed. They did not have to join the "church" first.

This is one of the basic differences in catholic/protestant theology

Catholics believes man is saved THROUGH the church , Protestants believe that the church is composed of the saved..

337 posted on 08/08/2010 8:30:45 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ansel12
Just how does the Vatican create it's numbers of claimed membership globally, and how does it clear people from the rolls?

I believe it is on baptized persons and infants ...So it does not take into account people that never go to church or have changed religions..

My street is probably 75% or more of people that would call themselves "catholic" if asked... maybe 5 % actually go to church .. they are actually unchurched.

I still get Catholic stuff in the mail and I have not been Catholic in 30 years

338 posted on 08/08/2010 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation
This has come up several times already, and seems to be discounteed by many. But I am wondering since we are getting different sources on this.

Only intellectuals can convert to Catholicism as adults. Otherwise you have to be raised in it.

Any religion that can't convert simple people isn't a universal religion.

339 posted on 08/08/2010 8:36:57 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Som tasim `aleykha melekh 'asher yivchar HaShem 'Eloqeykha bo . . .)
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To: Salvation
Actions speak louder than words!

Catholics deserve much credit for keeping the issue of abortion before the public ... No question they are the prime movers in the pro life movement

But there are protestants that participate in the clinic protests but to say it is only Catholic is technically not true .

340 posted on 08/08/2010 8:40:13 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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