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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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To: Cronos

Read post 260 again and are you going to admit to people that you plagarized that post 260 from Sojourners magazine?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_p8pqfTb_VIJ:www.sojo.net/index.cfm%3Faction%3Dmagazine.article%26issue%3Dsoj0606%26article%3D060610+The+fallout+from+these+changes+was+evident+eight+years+later,+when+Ronald+Reagan+handily+won+the+Catholic+vote.+During+both+terms+of+the+Reagan+presidency,+there+was+much+hand-wringing+about+the+%E2%80%9CReagan+Catholics%E2%80%9D+and+why+they+had+been+won+over+by+the+Republican+Party.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


281 posted on 08/08/2010 2:20:08 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
Yes. The numbers are from an online magazine.

That is a fact that 52% of Catholics voting for George W Bush in 2004. You made a big deal about the same number voting otherwise.

Secondly, as a religious minority that was the target of a political movement (the know-nothings), Catholics naturally in the 1800s voted for the party that said it was against that (note: I said "said", not "was").

This was true and held true right through to FDR.

The numbers for FDR dropped but I would rate that as distorted due to anti-incumbency coupled with a war.

Of critical importance is that Catholics voted for Republicans who had Catholic social issues at heart like Eisenhower and George W Bush.

George W Bush made significant inroads among Catholic voters because he used language—and chosen issues—that appeal to Catholics. “Compassionate conservative,” after all, is a term that could describe many Catholics, who are conservative on social issues yet favor government programs for the poor.

Why did 48% not vote Democrat at the last election? I think they were the church-going ones and were the ones who actually THOUGHT and didn't get caught up in the entire "CHANGE" chants.

The thing is that in most elections there are multiple variables -- as a good Catholic, I cannot vote for anyone who supports abortion, but then that limits the pool and I may have to choose someone who supports other things that I find intolerable -- this is more the case in Europe than America, I agree, but I'm just giving an example.

Secondly, I would like to see the numbers of below 30 and above 30s who voted for Ohbummer and the number of those who attended service/mass at least once a week versus those who didn't

I feel sure that the majority of those who went for a Protestant service or a Catholic/Orthodox mass at least once a week did NOT vote for ohbummer. I also feel sure (and I think I read it somewhere after the Pres election) that the majority of the +30 (or was it +40) year olds did NOT vote for Ohbummer.
282 posted on 08/08/2010 2:31:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: metmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

Great questions and I’ll be waiting to see the answers, albeit not with bated breath.

My understanding is Catholicism teaches that once a Catholic, always a Catholic. It’s irrelevant what you currant beliefs or practices are or where you go to church.

Apparently then, the Catholic church is always adding to it’s numbers and never removing names, except in the case of death.

Now, some Catholics claim that those who vote liberal aren’t really Catholics since they have denied themselves or ex-communicated themselves. What appears to be the case, however, is that the Catholics and the RCC , who are more than willing to distance themselves from those who claim Catholicism but vote liberal in politics, are more than willing to count them as members for their membership roles and bragging rights about being the biggest church or religion in the world, with one billion strong and counting.

It all depends on what you’re trying to prove whether you count someone as Catholic. If it makes the church look bad by claiming them as members, then they aren’t really Catholics. If it makes the church look good by claiming huge numbers of adherents, once a Catholic, always a Catholic. Count ‘em based on being baptized or by conversion because of marriage, regardless of the sincerity of heart or follow through, or the integrity of the reason for joining.


INDEED.

MORE OF THE VATICAN DOUBLE STANDARD DANCE.

MORE OF THE ALICE IN WONDERLAND DUPLICITY DANCE.

MORE VATICAN HYPOCRISY.


283 posted on 08/08/2010 2:50:03 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ak267

284 posted on 08/08/2010 2:51:40 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom

Finding faithful and active Catholics who vote conservative is the exception, not the rule. I don’t really care what a few Catholics say strong Catholics SHOULD vote like because I know what most of the DO vote like. I’ve seen it. Being a strong Catholic is no guarantee of voting conservative. On the contrary, if someone tells me they’re Catholic and politics comes up, their political position never surprises me. It’s liberal. Count on it.


In my experience, exceptions to that are in the minority.

Thankfully, in this conservative County, more are conservative than in my average experience elsewhere. Still . . . there are plenty of liberal very active, practicing RC’s here, too. Thankfully, the chairwoman of the GOP women’s group is an RC. She’s a good Christian woman—I wouldn’t call her the most passionate practicing RC, however.


285 posted on 08/08/2010 2:56:20 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

286 posted on 08/08/2010 2:59:10 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom

There isn’t a thing that Catholics can accuse non-Catholic of that they don’t engage in themselves to a greater or equal degree.


THAT’S been one of the MOST shocking things about RC’s year after year on FR.


287 posted on 08/08/2010 3:00:11 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ak267

288 posted on 08/08/2010 3:00:37 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos
You plagiarized post 260 from a magazine article and keep trying to pass it off as your own words, you even keep persisting in posting big chunks of it without quotes since I outed you.

Catholics voted for Gore in 2000, just like they voted for Clinton in 92 and 96, in 2004 when Hispanic Protestants were voting for Bush by 56%, Catholics did vote for Bush by 52%, they then voted for Obama by 54% in the next election.

Nothing changed about the Catholic vote related to FDR, either in their presidential vote or their Congressional voting, they continued voting Democrat, Gallup says they even went Democrat in 1956. see post 269. They eventually voted Republican in 1972 and then back to democrat in 1976.

With the recent flood of Mexican Catholics coming into America, church going, white Catholics are becoming more Republican. Not right wing, but more Republican.

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289 posted on 08/08/2010 3:14:18 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
This desire for transcendence usually takes four forms:
(1) a desire for certainty;
(2) a desire for history;
(3) a desire for unity; and
(4) a desire for authority.

I've commented on the youthful yearning for stability, order, structure in a post above.

These items are similar. And, as many converts to Mormonism and other cultish groups manifest--comprise a serious vulnerability that is well exploited by the Vatican.

1. CERTAINTY: Who has not felt the existential hurricanes in our era with the shredding of so many Biblical values in the market place and body politic?

2. It would be surprising indeed if a group that CLAIMED, with a shred of a convincing argument, did not have an attraction for many existentially adrift and uneasy souls. Certainty is a priceless comodity in a furiously UNCERTAIN world and era. It matters relatively little that the proffered Vatican "CERTAINTY" is largely sham and largely not even based on the CERTAINTY OF SCRIPTURE.

3. HISTORY too holds a similar attraction. Yet, here, the uninformed is most seduced by false testimony; rubbery history and disingenuous hogwash from the Vatican. However, fantasies are comforting for all of us. Sadly, this one can be spiritually deadly for millions.

4. PRETENDING TO BE IN EXISTENCE 300-400 YEARS BEFORE THE FACTS IS A PRETTY HUGE SCAM. However, the uninformed and undiscerning existentially desperate awash in a sea of chaotic modernity are ripe for the picking. Proffered tomes are easily convincing because the search for historical anchoring vs anchoring in the living Word of God is so shallow while the social cultural distress is so increasingly extreme.

5. The desire for UNITY IS ONE OF THE MOST SAD, PATHETIC AND ABSURDLY PARADOXICAL ITEMS ON THE LIST! The pretend unity under the Vatican umbrella is a HUGE SCAM, SHAM, FARCE. One can pretend and fantasize--but only by moving in, lock stock and barrel into Alice's rabbit hole.

6. Even the desire for AUTHORITY is a sadly grossly misplaced attraction and trust.

7. We've seen repeatedly how grandly the VATICAN AUTHORITY has protected millions of infants from the murderous actions of countless politicians the Pope has gone out of his way to meet with and prance about with in great pomp and circumstance . . . and certainly this vaunted and grand authority has rarely even withheld Communion from such murderous politicians.

8. "AUTHORITY?" RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT . . . About as much Biblical and redemptive authority as last year's slug slime. The HOLY SPIRIT'S anointing--IF IT EVER RESIDED IN ANY HALLS OF THE VATICAN AT ALL--LEFT THE BUILDING LONG AGO.

9. Like all the other items on the list, PAPAL, MAGICSTERICAL AUTHORITY is a farce in terms of the BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL reality. However, the Vatican CERTAINLY exhibits GREAT PRODUCTIONS OF PRANCING PONTIFICAL POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE AUTHORITY just like the religious leaders in Jerusalem 2000 years ago who were so thankful they were not like the publicans, [Proddys] et al OVER !THERE!

10. In an insane culture awash in satanic chaos and farce . . . even a SEEMINGLY SLIGHTLY LESS FARCical structure and set of fantasies can be attractive to the existentially weary. The unsuspecting and shallow existentially adrift are even more vulnerable.

11. May God have mercy on such deluded souls now anchoring to a log floating in the hurricane of silly satanic seductions pouring out of and residing in ALICE'S WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING. There may be added temporary comforts afforded all the structure, ritual and sham. However, when God's realities become starkly more evident as the Vatican slips ever deeper into the satanic globalist constructions on 'reality,' such comforts will likely become thing indeed, if not out-right justifiably terrifying.

290 posted on 08/08/2010 3:31:50 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ansel12
Ah, so you DO agree that Catholics voted for Bush by 52% in 2004

Why exactly was that? Because Bush had an outreach to Catholics.

Why did 48% not vote Democrat at the last election? I think they were the church-going ones and were the ones who actually THOUGHT and didn't get caught up in the entire "CHANGE" chants.

What ARE the numbers of below 30 and above 30s who voted for Ohbummer and the number of those who attended service/mass at least once a week versus those who didn't

I feel sure that the majority of those who went for a Protestant service or a Catholic/Orthodox mass at least once a week did NOT vote for ohbummer. I also feel sure (and I think I read it somewhere after the Pres election) that the majority of the +30 (or was it +40) year olds did NOT vote for Ohbummer.
291 posted on 08/08/2010 3:37:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix

QUix: “The desire for UNITY IS ONE OF THE MOST SAD, PATHETIC AND ABSURDLY PARADOXICAL ITEMS ON THE LIST!” —> ok, so you say so


292 posted on 08/08/2010 3:38:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix

Certainty is what orthodoxy offers, yes


293 posted on 08/08/2010 3:39:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix

History —> McKnight observes that many feel a “historical disenfranchisement” with Protestantism and want to be connected to the entire history of the Christian church and not just the period since the Reformation.


294 posted on 08/08/2010 3:40:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: napscoordinator

295 posted on 08/08/2010 3:45:28 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ansel12

VERY INTERESTING.

THX.


296 posted on 08/08/2010 3:48:02 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

What a HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!

297 posted on 08/08/2010 3:50:31 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

What a HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!

298 posted on 08/08/2010 3:50:55 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Steelfish; Quix

Looks like another "church" has degenerated to the point of promoting satanic symbols in their worship.

299 posted on 08/08/2010 4:00:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

In this case . . . there’s some . . . quasi reasonableness in choosing it as a symbol of Peter’s being crucified upside down at his request.

There’s plenty of other stuff from hell to be concerned about under the Vatican umbrella, however!


300 posted on 08/08/2010 4:14:18 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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