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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
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| August 6, 2010
| Michael Barber
Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals Crossing the Tiber to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."
As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.
Here's the story as Fitzgerald
reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the colleges statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism. Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .
. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents conversion (anything that happens in a childs life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being saved, I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.
And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic. The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.
Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnights list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church, according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.
Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?
McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the Internet Monk) about his wifes conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented return to Rome. Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The Kings College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.
The Kings College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend Kings are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC studentsand indeed many young evangelicals at largeare its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.
Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The Kings College was not the only major change in Croslows life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.
Croslows interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslows Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as a crisis of spiritual authority. As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers intentions. He asks, If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that hed attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston? The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding No.
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You can read the rest
here.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: evangmlw
Baptist believe in voting people into the church. There is no command, example or necessary inference for doing so in the New Testament.
You appeal to Acts 2:47 in trying to justify voting. The KJV version says Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. The problem is the latter part such as should be saved. They feel the Lord has given them authority to vote on those who are saved and who are not. This verse is not teaching that! When you go to the Greek text or a newer translation you can readily see what is being taught. The NKJV version says those being saved. The Lord adds one to the church when he obeys His will from the heart (Heb. 5:8,9; Romans 6:17,18). We are baptized into Christ (Galatians 3:27) into the church (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22,23). Let us be satisfied to let the Lord do the adding.
2,861
posted on
08/17/2010 7:23:45 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Cronos
Excellent example how prideful, sinful, self serving interpretations cater to their own selfish interests. Probably some gnostic heresy lingering down from the first century.
It's difficult to accept that it has taken over 2800 posts for these to accept that Evangelicals are crossing the Tiber and entering the Catholic Church instituted by Christ to serve as the fountain of His graces. Those who have made their prideful and presumptuous assertions in these 2800 posts will be held accountable by Jesus for misleading His flock.
2,862
posted on
08/17/2010 11:15:05 AM PDT
by
bronx2
(while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
To: bronx2; Cronos
...but those who pretend to bring down Christ’s condemnation on others are not “prideful and presumptuous”?
To: Mr. Lucky
I only rebuke those who exhibit a lack of understanding for the words of Christ with the hope of correcting their errant ways. Christ commanded us to shake off the dust from our feet for those places who refuse to accept His message. For one who has read most of the 2800 posts I am appalled at the insouciant attitude many adopt in their interpretation of Sacred Scripture. Yet, even for the many of these there is time for forgiveness if repentance is true and contains contrition.
2,864
posted on
08/17/2010 12:42:19 PM PDT
by
bronx2
(while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
To: Mr. Lucky; bronx2
Good point — bringing down, by that I assume you mean calling on Christ to bring troubles, right? That is wrong and if I have, I apologize.
2,865
posted on
08/17/2010 1:09:15 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Cronos
Actually, your posts have been islands of theological sobriety.
To: D-fendr
If this authority decides to interpret doctrine, consonance, etc. differently, then that's it. And then you toss them. Or move on. Salvation is too important to be tied with unbelievers.
2,867
posted on
08/17/2010 5:38:37 PM PDT
by
xone
To: xone
And if others disagree with you, they toss your guys.
Doctrine by democratic vote.
That’s my point: we both have human authority who determine doctrine and/or its interpretation. The only difference, authority-wise is in the structure by which those authorities are determined.
2,868
posted on
08/17/2010 6:10:07 PM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: D-fendr
The Ethiopian Catholic Church is a Metropolitan sui iuris Eastern particular Church within the Catholic Church, separate from its Eastern Orthodox counterpart.No, it is the Ethiopian Orthodox/Coptic church that I am referring to. However, in researching your question, I must admit error wrt Adoptionism - It is not the "official" stance (which is trinitarian), but rather a school of thought within it. It is a rather large school of thought, by my reckoning, as I have read Ethiopian documentation extensively - and it is an error I came by honestly in that pursuit... Perhaps evidence of practice being more relevant than dogmatic declaration.
I am not mistaken wrt canon, though. The Ethiopian church's full canon includes some 75-80 books, while their actual canon adds Enoch, and Jasher, and has a decidedly different Maccabees (Machabyan I, II, III) than the books that you, no doubt, revere.
2,869
posted on
08/18/2010 4:21:00 AM PDT
by
roamer_1
(Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
To: roamer_1
I believe you about the error in understanding the Copts and Ethiopians position on the Trinity.
Better men than me have made that error before and it is my opinion that the entire Monophysite issue was a case of not speaking the same language. We have the same issue at times with various groupings outside the Church.
That being said, I will reiterate that if at any time, you or another Presbyterian is out there on conservative issues, like picketing one of Ohbummers's baby killing clinics or protesting the mosque at ground zero, I support you 100%.
2,870
posted on
08/18/2010 7:21:39 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: roamer_1
Thanks for your reply, that helps.
From what I can find on the Ethiopian Orthodox/Coptic church, it is neither part of the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Church, and hasn’t been so since it rejected the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in AD 451. It has its own separate leadership, administration and theology.
2,871
posted on
08/18/2010 9:02:26 AM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: RnMomof7
Sorry for the delay answering this question. My online time has been very limited over the past week.
The question is how do I define grace?
Grace, to me, is God’s love and mercy. God’s love led Him to our creation and God’s mercy led Him to gain our salvation.
When I speak of increasing grace, I speak of God’s grace increasing in us. We cannot increase His grace, as He is already perfection. When we pray, go to church and participate in the Sacraments, we increase His grace in us so that we may be perfect too.
Jesus spoke of storing up treasure in heaven. He spoke of rewards in heaven verses rewards on earth. Our eyes are to be on those things and not the things of this world. Yet, we live in this world and are to do what we can to make present His kingdom here.
It is like the parable of the talents, where three men are given talents by their master. One receives five, the other, two and the third, one. Two of the men invest their talents and increase what they have. The third hides it, afraid to do more than hoard it in order to return to the master exactly what he had been given.
The investment is grace. We are to act. To give and not just take. We are to increase God’s grace in ourselves so as to share it with others. It grows in us when we keep ourselves close to God. And it is through His word and His church that we remain branches on the vine which bear fruit rather than branches which shrivel up and break off.
It is like the parable of the yeast. Grace is like yeast, when it is mixed up in the dough, the dough grows and becomes the bread that feeds many.
Or like the parable of the mustard seed. The mustard seed is tiny, but the bush which grows from it is huge and supports much life.
To: D-fendr
From what I can find on the Ethiopian Orthodox/Coptic church, it is neither part of the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Church, and hasnt been so since it rejected the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in AD 451. It has its own separate leadership, administration and theology.Thanks for that information. So yet another schism exists. The entire Coptic church is a red-headed stepchild - Yet their claim on "apostolic succession" is genuine. Funny how that works... The "authority" is there. It is among the most historic of "sees," and well documented. I guess succession ain't all it is cracked up to be, huh.
2,873
posted on
08/18/2010 5:52:37 PM PDT
by
roamer_1
(Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
To: roamer_1
There’s lots of schisms, Luther was a priest too, but the Church remains.
There’s more to it than apostolic succession.
2,874
posted on
08/18/2010 8:22:51 PM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: metmom; Melian; Natural Law
“”It says that SHE shall crush the serpents head, not HE. They translated the personal pronoun *he* to *she*. They mistranslated the verse. They used the wrong word.””
No they did NOT because the correct INTERPRETATION is what matters as was shown to you in the link I provided in post #2649 that refers to offspring of Eve agreed by scripture scholars-which can only be the New Eve being only Mary which historical Christianity consistently says and Biblical typology proves
From Saint Irenaues..
In accordance with this design, Mary the Virgin is found obedient, saying, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. But Eve was disobedient; for she did not obey when as yet she was a virgin. And even as she, having indeed a husband, Adam, but being nevertheless as yet a virgin (for in Paradise they were both naked, and were not ashamed, inasmuch as they, having been created a short time previously, had no understanding of the procreation of children: for it was necessary that they should first come to adult age, and then multiply from that time onward), having become disobedient, was made the cause of death, both to herself and to the entire human race; so also did Mary, having a man betrothed [to her], and being nevertheless a virgin, by yielding obedience, become the cause of salvation, both to herself and the whole human race. And on this account does the law term a woman betrothed to a man, the wife of him who had betrothed her, although she was as yet a virgin; thus indicating the back-reference from Mary to Eve, because what is joined together could not otherwise be put asunder than by inversion of the process by which these bonds of union had arisen; s so that the former ties be cancelled by the latter, that the latter may set the former again at liberty Wherefore also Luke, commencing the genealogy with the Lord, carried it back to Adam, indicating that it was He who regenerated them into the Gospel of life, and not they Him. And thus also it was that the knot of Eves disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:22 (A.D. 180).
For as Eve was seduced by the word of an angel to flee from God, having rebelled against His Word, so Mary by the word of an angel received the glad tidings that she would bear God by obeying his Word. The former was seduced to disobey God, but the latter was persuaded to obey God, so that the Virgin Mary might become the advocate of the virgin Eve. As the human race was subjected to death through [the act of] a virgin, so it was saved by a virgin. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:19,1 (A.D. 180).
There is plenty of typology to support this as well..
Mary is the New Eve
Old Testament Eve- Verses New Testament Mary
Created without original sin, Gen 2:22-25 = Created without original sin, Luke 1:28,42
There was a virgin, Gen 2:22-25 = There is a virgin, Luke 1:27-34
There was a tree, Gen 2:16-17 = There was a cross made from a tree, Matt 27:31-35
There was a fallen angel, Gen 3:1-13 = There was a loyal angel, Luke 1:26-38
A satanic serpent tempted her, Gen 3:4-6 = A satanic dragon threatened her, Rev 12:4-6,13-17
There was pride, Gen 3:4-7 = There was humility, Luke 1:38
There was disobedience, Gen 3:4-7 = There was obedience, Luke 1:38
There was a fall, Gen 3:16-20 = There was redemption, John 19:34
Death came through Eve, Gen 3:17-19 = Life Himself came through Mary, John 10:28
She was mentioned in Genesis 3:2-22 = She was mentioned in Genesis 3:15
Could not approach the tree of life Gen 3:24 = Approached the Tree of Life, John 19:25
An angel kept her out of Eden, Gen 3:24 = An angel protected her, Rev 12:7-9
Prophecy of the coming of Christ, Gen 3:15 = The Incarnation of Christ, Luke 2:7
Firstborn was a man child, Gen 4:1 = Firstborn was a man child, Luke 2:7, Rev 12:5
Firstborn became a sinner, Gen 4:1-8 = Firstborn was the Savior, Luke 2:34
The mother of all the living, Gen 3:20 = The spiritual mother of all the living, John 19:27
2,875
posted on
08/22/2010 4:05:04 PM PDT
by
stfassisi
((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
To: metmom; Melian; Kolokotronis
The book of Genesis, the Catholic one which contains that abomination of mistranslation, is in the Old Testament. Greek has NOTHING to do with it. Good luck finding certifiable books of Genesis written in Hebrew,there are only fragments from 2 bc. What we have is mostly written in Greek from the 4th century.So greek has everything to do with it
2,876
posted on
08/22/2010 6:28:05 PM PDT
by
stfassisi
((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
To: stfassisi
Everyone I know uses the 4th century Greek as the starting point.
I saw a great quote that said “Protestants strain for the extravagant while denying the obvious.” I think it’s true.
I’m very happy to be Catholic. We are so totally connected to the past of the Church and so totally involved with the future of the Church. It’s all one glorious piece to us and the fabric all hangs together beautifully.
I’ve lost patience for people who want to pull a thread out here and there and try to pick at it. Understanding the real history of the Church allows one to recognize the Truth.
2,877
posted on
08/22/2010 9:11:52 PM PDT
by
Melian
("There is only one tragedy in the end, not to have been a saint." ~L. Bloy)
To: stfassisi
Great post. You are quite right.
Unfortunately, saying this 100 times in 100 different ways still doesn’t get through. Ronald Reagan said, “Don’t be afraid to see what you see.” And we know there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Some people refuse to see. All we can do is pray for them.
2,878
posted on
08/22/2010 9:15:22 PM PDT
by
Melian
("There is only one tragedy in the end, not to have been a saint." ~L. Bloy)
To: Melian
Unfortunately, saying this 100 times in 100 different ways still doesnt get through. True,but there may be others who read what we write that it does get through.
2,879
posted on
08/23/2010 9:49:13 AM PDT
by
stfassisi
((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
To: Rockingham
Yeah and it looks like that ole’ fisherman (Pope Benedict)is getting quite a haul pretty soon! He’s caught quite a few Anglicans and Episcopals (sp?)in his ‘net’. Many of them are coming over because of stuff happening in the Anglican Communion such as: with openly gay bishops and female bishops, among some other issues!
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