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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: fish hawk

” There is a giant difference. “

Nope. But there are HUGE difference between the various heretical breakoffs as to what “Bible Doctrine” means.


21 posted on 08/07/2010 4:04:59 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: fish hawk

You wrote:

“That is what happens when you don’t know Bible Doctrine.”

We probably know the Bible better than you do if previous experience is anything to go by.


22 posted on 08/07/2010 4:06:03 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ought-six
“It is fine as long as the new Catholics continue to vote like Evangelicals, we do not want them to start voting like Catholics.”
"LOL! So true. Especially when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants.

And abortion.

23 posted on 08/07/2010 4:06:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Salvation; the_conscience; smvoice; Quix; Gamecock; jboot; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; BibChr
The issue is not how many that swim the tiber.. the answer is simple.. they are not saved..and unsaved people always look to make their god as they like him ...so they go to Catholicism or Buddhism or hinduism or Islam or the mormons or wherever the god that meets their idea of what or who god is fits..

As I said before Sal.. we are not concerned with numbers.. the tares are free to bundle where they choose.. "many are called but few are chosen "

Should the Holy Spirit lead the to repent and believe they will leave the wherever and find a church that has a high view of God and a high view of scripture,in other words a protestant church.

To those that go where ever I wish them a happy and prosperous life.. because this is the greatest joy they will ever have

24 posted on 08/07/2010 4:07:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation
I wonder if a number of these conversions are because some who walk with Christ feel that alot of Protestant denominations are leaning more secular and liberal with each passing year (due, possibly - or probably, to the influence of those who infiltrate mainline churches in the hope of undermining them), and want to belong to a "stronger" church that won't bend with the prevailing political winds.

I believe firmly that liberals, socialists, fascists, and communists are bent on turning Christian denominations into their version of what a church should be; that is, subservient to the all-powerful federal government, and marginalize those who hold fast to the Christian beliefs that have held sway for 2000 years. Jesus said we would be persecuted. Looks like it is starting to come to pass.

25 posted on 08/07/2010 4:08:53 PM PDT by jeffc (One Big A$$ Mistake America)
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To: RnMomof7

You wrote:

” they are not saved..and unsaved people always look to make their god as they like him ...”

So you can read their hearts, huh?

The arrogance and meanspiritedness of anti-Catholicism is once again revealed for all to see.


26 posted on 08/07/2010 4:10:42 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Salvation

For however much this is true, many more have left Catholicism to go Evangelical over the past decades. And because now a measurable number are going to God via Rome doesn’t mean there is no outflow to the E-churches.


27 posted on 08/07/2010 4:11:58 PM PDT by joelt
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To: vladimir998

According to you there only seems to be a very small number of Catholics in the United States, the Vatican must be wildly inflating their numbers.

I wonder if the Vatican agrees that you have the power to dismiss 54% of Catholics in America from the church because they voted for Obama?


28 posted on 08/07/2010 4:12:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: joelt
For however much this is true, many more have left Catholicism to go Evangelical over the past decades.

If that is true, or to what ever portion of it is true, I hope that they vote pro-life and conservative like Evangelicals do.

29 posted on 08/07/2010 4:14:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Salvation; markomalley
They may well have stumbled upon Mother Angelica and learned the importance of reading the Gospels as opposed to limiting their reading to St. Paul.
30 posted on 08/07/2010 4:16:37 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: sayuncledave

Well, I have been Southern Baptist and have never voted for a democrat and I never will.


31 posted on 08/07/2010 4:19:43 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: fish hawk

Amen.


32 posted on 08/07/2010 4:21:05 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Salvation
I do not understand how anyone who truly understands the Reformation, and is a faithful student of the Bible, can convert (Cross the Tiber) to Roman Catholicism. I have been a minister for over 30 years, and have never been further aaway from that idea than I am now. It is mystifying!

How do you go from a system of salvation by Grace, to a system of salvation by works?

33 posted on 08/07/2010 4:23:45 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("It's the peoples' seat!")
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To: ansel12

You wrote:

“According to you there only seems to be a very small number of Catholics in the United States, the Vatican must be wildly inflating their numbers.”

False. The Vatican accurately reports the number of baptized Catholics. The number of loyal, practicing, believing Catholics is far smaller, however. This has been the case for at least 40 years since many Catholics in America chose protestantized ideals over the true Christian faith.

“I wonder if the Vatican agrees that you have the power to dismiss 54% of Catholics in America from the church because they voted for Obama?”

Neither I nor the Vatican dismiss them from the Church. We simply dismiss their pretensions about being well informed, well catechized, or loyal.


34 posted on 08/07/2010 4:25:38 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: jeffc

That will never happen in the SBC I go to. It is the Catholics who will not kick someone out if they break God’s laws. Some do not even have the guts to kick someone out who votes for abortions. etc.


35 posted on 08/07/2010 4:26:11 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: ansel12

Why would it?


36 posted on 08/07/2010 4:28:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: RnMomof7
To those that go where ever I wish them a happy and prosperous life.. because this is the greatest joy they will ever have

"Vanity. All is vanity"

And the greatest vanity of all is to claim to have knowledge of which followers of Christ God will choose and which He won't. Vanity is the sin that will undo you.
37 posted on 08/07/2010 4:29:03 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fish hawk
The Bible is what God says to us which should be obvious since there is no doctrinal differences between any of the Bible-believing protestant denominations.

Or am I incorrect about that? :-)

38 posted on 08/07/2010 4:32:46 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: LiteKeeper
How do you go from a system of salvation by Grace, to a system of salvation by works?

You can't. But how is Catholicism a system of salvation by works?

39 posted on 08/07/2010 4:36:09 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: vladimir998
” they are not saved..and unsaved people always look to make their god as they like him ...”

So you can read their hearts, huh?

The arrogance and meanspiritedness of anti-Catholicism is once again revealed for all to see.


I have no dog in this fight, but is this really "arrogance and mean-spiritedness"? Christians as a whole view all non-Christians in this way (as do Muslims of non-Muslims). Belief that one's religion is the only real "ticket to heaven", as another poster put it, leads naturally to believing that one's particular religious denomination is the only true way. Do Catholics believe evangelical Christians have the same ticket to heaven?
40 posted on 08/07/2010 4:42:53 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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