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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



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To: bronx2; RnMomof7

Do you want the book of James to be taken literally? Is that your desire?


1,161 posted on 08/10/2010 2:16:12 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: presently no screen name; D-fendr
So what Jesus gave you - the sacraments - to impart the graces necessary to obtain eternal salvation are NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

That is correct. It is what I have said, it is in the catechism, it is generally agreed. The graces are necessary. The sacraments are "ordinarily," but not absolutely, necessary.

D-fendr's tag is "God is not bound by the sacrament, but man is."

But I see you want this to be personal. Fine. Make it personal with somebody else.

1,162 posted on 08/10/2010 2:17:09 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom
The Athanasian Creed states Catholic Doctrine does it not? So where is the lie?

I quoted that part pertinent to metmom’s post in reply. Of course I left the middle, it wasn't relevant to my point just as YOU have left out part of what I wrote. That YOU left out part of my post is well, “scandalous” to the same extent.

Is the Athanasian Creed an accurate statement of Catholic belief and does it say what I quoted or not?

1,163 posted on 08/10/2010 2:18:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: RnMomof7
If Peter is the rock, why is he not also Satan? Matthew 16:23 He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me.

EXACTLY! They cannot, will not, refuse to rightly divide the Word. As usual, now that it's been pounded on hard - we see many of them twist and wiggle on their position.
1,164 posted on 08/10/2010 2:20:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mad Dawg; Iscool; RnMomof7; metmom; narses; Cronos; Natural Law; bronx2
And Iscool who taunted us with suggestions first that the pope never washes feet and then that he only does so in splendid ceremonial, now taunts us with suggesting that the catechism says Peter is NOT the rock of foundation.

When these suggestions are looked into, they turn out to be false.


NAILED IT!!!

Thank you.
1,165 posted on 08/10/2010 2:20:40 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: smvoice
God desires us to interpret scripture according to His word that is why He gave us the magisterium. Fanciful theories of the 30000 various protestants cults only serve to confuse the faithful and lead one to Satan.
1,166 posted on 08/10/2010 2:21:44 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: smvoice
“Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.” (Rom 16:25,26). Amen

Absolutely on point, my FRiend. Thank you for this terrific passage from the apostle Paul. He really ties the whole story together, doesn't he?

1,167 posted on 08/10/2010 2:22:26 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: bronx2; presently no screen name; metmom; Quix; RnMomof7
Now which grace of salvation are you talking about?

Sanctifying grace, justifying grace, habitual grace, actual grace, sacramental grace, sufficient grace, efficacious grace? Are there more that I've left out? Because I certainly don't want to be accused of leaving something out. Please feel free to add more, if there are more..

1,168 posted on 08/10/2010 2:23:36 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Quix

Great additions. Thank you, Quix.

And, that newly minted word, “Quixicated” has got to be sent to Webster. An apt term!!


1,169 posted on 08/10/2010 2:25:26 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Therefore the correct question to ask a Roman Catholic is "can an Evangelical Protestant go to heaven if he never accepts the papacy and its church in Rome as the one true church?"

Excellent point. And of course we know the answer.

1,170 posted on 08/10/2010 2:28:54 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: RnMomof7; Mad Dawg; Cronos; Natural Law; bronx2

“No where is the Bible does it mention a Successor, or even the possibility of a successor.”

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Acts 1:15-26 - the first thing Peter does after Jesus ascends into heaven is implement apostolic succession. Matthias is ordained with full apostolic authority. Only the Catholic Church can demonstrate an unbroken apostolic lineage to the apostles in union with Peter through the sacrament of ordination and thereby claim to teach with Christ’s own authority.

Acts 1:20 - a successor of Judas is chosen. The authority of his office (his “bishopric”) is respected notwithstanding his egregious sin. The necessity to have apostolic succession in order for the Church to survive was understood by all. God never said, “I’ll give you leaders with authority for about 400 years, but after the Bible is compiled, you are all on your own.”

Acts 1:22 - literally, “one must be ordained” to be a witness with us of His resurrection. Apostolic ordination is required in order to teach with Christ’s authority.

Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.

Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop. This is a powerful proof-text for the necessity of sacramental ordination in order to be a legitimate successor of the apostles.

Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority must come from a Catholic bishop.

Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church.

Acts 15:22-27 - preachers of the Word must be sent by the bishops in union with the Church. We must trace this authority to the apostles.

2 Cor. 1:21-22 - Paul writes that God has commissioned certain men and sealed them with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee.

Col 1:25 - Paul calls his position a divine “office.” An office has successors. It does not terminate at death. Or it’s not an office. See also Heb. 7:23 – an office continues with another successor after the previous office-holder’s death.

1 Tim. 3:1 - Paul uses the word “episcopoi” (bishop) which requires an office. Everyone understood that Paul’s use of episcopoi and office meant it would carry on after his death by those who would succeed him.

1 Tim. 4:14 - again, apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).

1 Tim. 5:22 - Paul urges Timothy to be careful in laying on the hands (ordaining others). The gift of authority is a reality and cannot be used indiscriminately.

2 Tim. 1:6 - Paul again reminds Timothy the unique gift of God that he received through the laying on of hands.

2 Tim. 4:1-6 - at end of Paul’s life, Paul charges Timothy with the office of his ministry . We must trace true apostolic lineage back to a Catholic bishop.

2 Tim. 2:2 - this verse shows God’s intention is to transfer authority to successors (here, Paul to Timothy to 3rd to 4th generation). It goes beyond the death of the apostles.

Titus 1:5; Luke 10:1 - the elders of the Church are appointed and hold authority. God has His children participate in Christ’s work.

1 John 4:6 - whoever knows God listens to us (the bishops and the successors to the apostles). This is the way we discern truth and error (not just by reading the Bible and interpreting it for ourselves).

Exodus 18:25-26 - Moses appoints various heads over the people of God. We see a hierarchy, a transfer of authority and succession.

Exodus 40:15 - the physical anointing shows that God intended a perpetual priesthood with an identifiable unbroken succession.

Numbers 3:3 - the sons of Aaron were formally “anointed” priests in “ordination” to minister in the priests’ “office.”

Numbers 16:40 - shows God’s intention of unbroken succession within His kingdom on earth. Unless a priest was ordained by Aaron and his descendants, he had no authority.

Numbers 27:18-20 - shows God’s intention that, through the “laying on of hands,” one is commissioned and has authority.

Deut. 34:9 - Moses laid hands upon Joshua, and because of this, Joshua was obeyed as successor, full of the spirit of wisdom.

Sirach 45:15 - Moses ordains Aaron and anoints him with oil. There is a transfer of authority through formal ordination.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/apostolic_succession.html


1,171 posted on 08/10/2010 2:29:07 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: bronx2; presently no screen name

No, I just asked you if you wanted the book of James to be taken literally? Yes? No? Parts of it? 2 verses? What?


1,172 posted on 08/10/2010 2:30:01 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom

You call it “a manipulated quote”, an accusation without evidence of such even being suggested. And according to the rules I really don’t have to please YOU in a reply, tough but that’s life.


1,173 posted on 08/10/2010 2:31:30 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The sacraments are "ordinarily," but not absolutely, necessary.

Word game. Something that isn't built on TRUTH NEEDS wiggle room.

"God is not bound by the sacrament, but man is."

More wiggle room because it's not built on Truth.
God is not bound by ANYTHING of 'man'.

But I see you want this to be personal. Fine. Make it personal with somebody else.

That's a false statement and the beginning of you GOING INTO THIN SKIN MODE.
1,174 posted on 08/10/2010 2:33:00 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Quix
Is Sandy Patty the new guru?
Is she the successor to Sister Aimee McPherson as the Head of the FOURSQUARE Pantecostal group?
1,175 posted on 08/10/2010 2:34:41 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: bronx2
He gave us the magisterium.

When did God do that?
1,176 posted on 08/10/2010 2:39:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dutchboy88
You're most welcome. And you are correct. Understanding Paul's message and his unique ministry and calling is the KEY to understanding the Church the Body of Christ and this present age.

"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles; I MAGNIFY MY OFFICE." (Rom. 11:13).

Paul was not being prideful or self-important here. It was his POSTITION, not his PERSON, that was to be understood and followed, as he followed Christ. And it is those who would minimize, rather than magnify Paul's office, that causes the confusion and disobedience to the truth.

1,177 posted on 08/10/2010 2:46:40 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: RnMomof7; Mad Dawg

“there is no apostolic succession in scripture , no pope , no priesthood, no mass, no holy water no relics, no indulgences, no purgatory ...no Roman Catholic church”

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The Church
Matthew 16:13-20 - Upon this rock I will build my Church
Matthew 18:17-18 - if he refuses to listen even to the Church ... (shows the importance of obeying and consequences of disobeying the Church)
Matthew 28:18-20 - Go Baptize and teach all nations ...(the Church’s mission)
Mark 16:16 - Go to the whole world and proclaim the gospel.
Luke 10:16 - Whoever hears you, hears me, he who rejects you, rejects me.
John 14:16,16, 26 - Holy Spirit will be with you always to teach and reminder you of everything.
John 16:12 - the Spirit of Truth with guide you to all truth.
1 Timothy 3:15 - Church is the pillar and foundation of truth

The Church is Apostolic
Matthew 16:13-20 - Jesus built his Church on Peter, the rock (foretold in the OT: Isaiah 22:15-25)
Luke 22:29-30 - I confer a kingdom on you, just as my Father conferred one on me: you will eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and you will sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 22:32 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd (that Peter’s faith may not fail)
John 10:16 - One shepherd to shepherd Christ’s sheep
John 15:16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles
John 21:17-19 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd
John 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission
Ephesians 4:11 - Church leaders are hierarchical
1 Timothy 3:1,8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests and deacons
Titus 1:5 - Commission for bishops to ordain priests

Apostolic Succession
2 Chronicles 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of the Lord’s
Malachi 2:7 - seek instruction from a priest, he is God’s messenger
Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas’ apostolic ministry
Acts 1:20-22 - Let someone else take over his office. Out of the men who have been with us the whole time that the Lord Jesus was living with us, from the time when John was baptizing until the day when he was taken up from us, one must be appointed to serve with us as a witness to his resurrection.
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
1 Corinthians 12:28-29 - God designated in the Church, apostles, prophets, teachers
Ephesians 2:20 - Church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets
Ephesians 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, some as prophets ...
1 Timothy 3:1, 8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - qualifications for bishops, priests and deacons
1 Timothy 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1 Timothy 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
2 Timothy 2:2 - what you heard from me, entrust to faithful teachers
Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in each town, as I directed

Relics
2 Kings 13:20-21 - contact with Elisha’s bones restored life
Acts 5:15-16 - cures performed through Peter’s shadow
Acts 19:11-12 - cures through face cloths that touched Paul

The Afterlife: Purgatory

Catholic Note:
Purgatory refers to a temporary state of purification for those who have died in the state of grace but still need to get rid of any lingering imperfections (venial sins, earthly attachments, self-will, etc.) before entering the perfection of heaven.

Purgatory has NOTHING to do with ones justification or salvation. Those in purgatory are justified; they are saved.  Purgatory has to do with ones HOLINESS and the burning away of remaining self-love.  Revelation 21:27 

It’s true that the word “purgatory” doesn’t appear in the Bible (neither do the words “Trinity”, “Incarnation” or even “Bible”). However, what’s important is not the word, but the doctrine. And the doctrine of the final purification of the elect, apart from heaven or hell, is clearly taught in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.”
2 Samuel 12:13-14 - David, though forgiven, is still punished for sin
2 Maccabees 12:39-46 - Next day, they came to find Judas (since the necessity was by now urgent) to have the bodies of the fallen taken up and laid to rest among their relatives in their ancestral tombs. But when they found on each of the dead men, under their tunics, objects dedicated to the idols of Jamnia, which the Law prohibits to Jews, it became clear to everyone that this was why these men had lost their lives. All then blessed the ways of the Lord, the upright judge who brings hidden things to light, and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be completely forgiven. Next, the valiant Judas urged the soldiers to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen; after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin.

Side note: Though this book was rejected by the Protestant reformers and therefore is NOT in Protestant Bibles, one can not ignore the historical reality of this event and the reality of the words which were said.

Matthew 5:25-26 - “you will be thrown into prison and not be released until you have paid the last penny.”
Matthew 5:48 - be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect (perfection is to be strived for on earth)
Matthew 12:32 - sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, in this age, or the next
Matthew 12:36 - you will have to account for every idle word on judgment day
1 Corinthians 3:10-16 - “if someone’s work is burned ... the person will be saved, but only as through fire”
1 Corinthians 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people baptizing for the dead
2 Timothy 1:16-18 - St. Paul prays - asks that God have mercy on his dead friend, Onesiphorus.
Hebrews 12:14 - strive for that holiness without which one cannot see God
Hebrews 12:29 - For our God is a consuming fire
James 1:14-15 - when sin reaches maturity it reaches death
James 3:2 - we all fall short in many respects
1 Peter 3:18-20 to 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in prison.
1 John 5:16-17 - Distinction made between deadly sins and one that are not deadly.
Revelation 21:27 - Nothing unclean will be allowed to enter into heaven.
See also: - Leviticus 26:41, 43; Isaiah 4:4, Isaiah 6:5-7, Isaiah 33:11-14, Micah 7 8-9:, Zechariah 9:11, Malachi 3:2-4, Matthew 18:34ff, Luke 12:58ff, Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Corinthians 7:1, Ephesians 4:8-10, Philippians 2:10-11, 1 Peter 4:6, Revelation 5:3, 13

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Prefigured
Genesis 14:18 - “Melchizedek king of Salem brought bread and wine; he was a priest of God Most High.”
Genesis 22:13 - (Abraham, our Father in Faith, offers a sacrifice of ram in place of his son Isaac)
Exodus 12:1-11 - The Paschal lamb {prefiguring of the Eucharistic Lord Jesus, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world} Yahweh ordered a male lamb to be slain and eaten by the Jewish people to fulfill the Passover. Staying at home eating food that looked like lamb and remembering Jesus would NOT fulfill the law. You had to eat the lamb. This is a foreshadowing of receiving the Lamb of God at Holy Communion because each Mass is the Passover.
What was required Foretold
Malachi 1:11 - “they bring sacrifice to my name and a pure offering”
Instituted by Jesus and asked to be done
Luke 22:19 - “This is my body ... given for you; do this in memory of me.”
1 Corinthians 11:25 - “this cup is the new covenant in my blood ... do this in remembrance of me.”
Attested to
Acts 2:42-47 - (New believers devoted themselves to breaking of the bread)
Hebrews 13:10 - “We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat.”
See also: - Matthew 26:26-27, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19-20, Acts 20:7-19, 1 Corinthians 5:7-8, 1 Corinthians 10:16-21, 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 10:10

Sacrament of Holy Orders

“The Church is the extension of Christ’s incarnation, and that extension takes place through the sacraments” (Scott Hahn , Swear to God, Page 22)
Protestant verse against Catholics, saying that we should not call priests “Fathers”.

Matthew 23:9 - “Call no one on earth your father, you have but one Father in heaven.”
Throughout the New Testament, humans are called “Fathers”.
Matthew 19:19 - “honor your father and mother”
Acts 7:2 - (St. Stephen calls the Jewish leaders “fathers.”)
Acts 22:1 - (St. Paul calls Jews in Jerusalem “fathers”.)
Romans 4:16 - “Abraham .. is the father of all of us”
1 Corinthians 4:15 - “I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel”
1 Timothy 1:2 - “Timothy, my true child in faith”
Philemon 10 - “Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment”
1 Thessalonians 2:11 - “treated each ... of you as a father treats his children”
Hebrews 12:9 - “we have had our earthly fathers to discipline us”
1 John 2:13 - “I am writing to you, fathers”
See also: - Matthew 3:9, Luke 1:73, Luke 3:8, Luke 4:26, John 8:56, Acts 22:1, Romans 4:11-12, Romans 9:10, 1 Timothy 5:1, Titus 1:4, James 2:21
Instituted by Christ Our Lord.
Luke 22:19 - He took the bread, said the blessing, broke it and said to the Apostles {’Do this in memory of me’} (The bishops are the successors of the apostles. Priests partake in the bishops work.)
John 20:21-22 - “As the Father has sent me, so I send you ... and He breathed on them saying ‘Receive the Holy Spirit”
Conferred by the imposition of OR laying on of hands.
Acts 6:6 - the apostles prayed and laid hands on them
Acts 13:3 - “they laid hands on them and sent them off.”
Acts 14:22 - they appointed presbyters in each church
1 Timothy 4:14 - gift received through the laying on of hands of presbyterate
2 Timothy 1:6 - gift of God you have received through the imposition of hands
Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed you
See also: - 1 Timothy 5:22, James 5:14
Gives grace.
Acts 14:22 - (Apostles appointed presbyters)
1 Timothy 4:14 - “the gift you have, which was conferred on you through ... the imposition { or laying on } of hands”
2 Timothy 1:6 - “stir into flame the gift of God that you have through the imposition { or laying on } of my hands”
Priests have authority in spiritual matters.
2 Chronicles 19:11 - “high priest over you in every thing that pertains to the LORD”
Malachi 2:7 - “lips of the priest are to keep knowledge and instruction is to be sought from his mouth”
Matthew 10:1 - “summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits”
Matthew 28:19-20 - “Go ... teaching all that I have commanded you”
Luke 10:16 - “Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me.”
Luke 22:19 - (Jesus tells apostles to break bread in memory of him)
John 20:21-23 - “As the Father sent me, so am I sending you. After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained” Acts 20:28 - Holy Spirit appointed you overseers to tend to the needs of the Church
See also: - Matthew 18:18, 1 Timothy 5:22, Titus 1:5, 1 Peter 2:5-10

http://www.askacatholic.com/holyquotes/documents/_all_catholic_verses.htm#thechurch


1,178 posted on 08/10/2010 2:48:44 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: smvoice
"Paul was not being prideful or self-important here. It was his POSTITION, not his PERSON, that was to be understood and followed, as he followed Christ. And it is those who would minimize, rather than magnify Paul's office, that causes the confusion and disobedience to the truth."

Yes, such a good observation. And it is from Paul that we find the golden thread of faith reaching back to encompass all the believers called from the foundation of the world. We owe a debt of gratitude to this man, without having to over do it the way the Catholics have with Mary.

1,179 posted on 08/10/2010 2:54:55 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Quix; smvoice; Dr. Eckleburg
The Grapes of Wrath Indeed!

Hmmmph.

I'm reminded of the morning after, if I should have too much wine at dinner:

The Wrath of Grapes!

Cheers!

1,180 posted on 08/10/2010 2:57:09 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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