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Be Fruitful and Multiply (vanity)

Posted on 06/11/2010 7:56:36 PM PDT by cradle of freedom

The Christian world is losing population because of a declining birthrate. The US is also losing population but that fact is being hidden by the large amount of immigration into this country. I am a mother of two daughters in their thirties. One is married and the other is single. My daughters and I have had a discussion about the state of marriage and family among young people of my daughters' generation. Many thirty somethings are having a hard time finding someone to marry and settle down with. In other generations young people of this age would have been married and had children by this age. It is very concerning.

This is a problem that has been going on in Europe as well for some time. People don't seem to want to commit and if they do marry they often divorce.

I only had two children like most people who had children in the 1970's but now I wish that I had more. If I knew that we would be facing this demographic problem I would have had at least one more. I think abortion and the feminist emphasis on career and "self fullfilment" has had an something to do with the shrinking of our demographics as well. Is there anyone else who is concerned about this?


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: abortion; birthcontrol; breedtilwestarve; contraception; demographics; familysize; populationcontrol
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1 posted on 06/11/2010 7:56:36 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom

No responsibility, no commitment, sex without love = no children.


2 posted on 06/11/2010 8:01:52 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (THE CANDIDATE THE LEFT SMEARS THE MOST IS THE ONE THEY FEAR THE MOST.)
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To: cradle of freedom

I echo your sentiments. I am so thankful for my five children. Yes, it wasn’t always easy — especially when my husband died and they were ages 9-19. But they are all in their early forties and late thirties and all doing well.
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Thank God for children and grandchildren!


3 posted on 06/11/2010 8:02:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cradle of freedom

Mark Steyn wrote a book about the more egregious case of Europe’s demographics. He was dismissed by the Europeans a few years back, if I recall correctly, but now, well, the numbers are what they are.

Part of the problem is the socialist state in Europe fosters attitudes not conducive to having children. Neither the German Chancellor nor her minister for families (also female) have children themselves.

In the US the problem is not as profound, but it could become that way here as well if we continue the socialization path Obama has placed us on.


4 posted on 06/11/2010 8:04:41 PM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: cradle of freedom
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5 posted on 06/11/2010 8:05:34 PM PDT by pillut48 ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: cradle of freedom

The muslims and animist don’t have to fire a shot in Israel or USA they will outnumber us shortly and will pull a South Africa on Israel much sooner.


6 posted on 06/11/2010 8:06:31 PM PDT by steve0 (My plan B: christianexodus.org/)
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To: cradle of freedom

Abortion did tremendous damage to my generation. Millions of people in my genertation were executed for the sake of convenience.


7 posted on 06/11/2010 8:06:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: bajabaja

Do people that you know have any awareness of this problem? I live in Massachusetts which is not a very aware state but I was wondering if people in some other parts of the country are more aware of this problem and are perhaps talking about it.


8 posted on 06/11/2010 8:08:17 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

A hundred years ago a decent man had a very hard time getting much sex unless he was married. Prostitutes transmitted diseases that were untreatable and fatal, much like AIDS, but far more frequent. Unless a man was rich, he usually had to live in a rented room. Life was pretty gloomy for a bachelor.

Today, a man can enjoy a pleasant lifestyle and have all the sex he wants with middle-class women who are also happy to cook and clean for him in hopes he’ll fall in love and want to get married. No such luck, ladies. Men have little motivation to get married in these circumstances. And why should they, when the Family Law court is just going to take half their income and assets and deprive them of their children?


9 posted on 06/11/2010 8:09:14 PM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: cradle of freedom

I would have had at least one more child, also. Maybe 2 or 3 more. I do see some young couples having more than just 2 now, and when I do see that, if it’s appropriate, I say what a wonderful family you have, or something along that line. I’m sure they have enough negative comments directed at them. When one of our children was expecting her third, I heard someone say to her, “Are you crazy?”

When I was forty, we adopted internationally, but that only change the demographics by one :-/


10 posted on 06/11/2010 8:09:38 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: Army Air Corps; Dr. Brian Kopp

And I would amend your statement that contraception did tremendous damage to the American society. It heralded the downfall of the family.


11 posted on 06/11/2010 8:10:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

When I see a larger family:

**I say what a wonderful family you have,**

Disregarding the appropriateness. Children are God’s gift to us....only on loan.


12 posted on 06/11/2010 8:12:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Where do you live? I am very interested to know how attitudes may vary from state to state?


13 posted on 06/11/2010 8:12:50 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom
When I was young I was told that little quote often, was even told it was in the bible, it's not and there is no such statement. Since the concept of multiplication was not discovered until a few hundred years later.
14 posted on 06/11/2010 8:13:39 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: cradle of freedom

bump


15 posted on 06/11/2010 8:14:43 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: cradle of freedom

The “aware” people where I am from (California, hey don’t rub it in) would talk about over-population, not under-population. This was the tone of such conversations since the 1970s with (I believe) Paul Erlich’s book on the “population bomb”. He was wrong on applying financial models to human reproduction, but his work helped define an ethos and an era (70s to 90s).

My sense now is that that phase has passed and rather than talking about this in one way or another, women (in particular) are doing what they personally want to do as regards family size. Women can have a larger sized family and be governor of the largest state in the Union. And still make leftists’ heads explode. What a country!


16 posted on 06/11/2010 8:15:57 PM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: cradle of freedom
Western Civilization is losing out rapidly because of this problem. And Islam is going to "own Western Civilization" soon because they don't have the demographic problem you describe. In fact, Islam will be taking over this country in a matter of about two generations from now and the United States will be an Islamic nation, and no longer a nation with a Constitution as we've lived under for over two hundred years now.

This is absolutely guaranteed because of our demographics. Be sure to see that little "demographics video" below.

See the following from another post of mine...


That evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam and the way of implementing it by Sharia law is already making inroads right here in this country — the good ole USA. We’re about to see a “takeover” of the U.S. by the evil and oppressive idealogy of the government of Islam (that is aiming for world-wide conquest and has stated that the U.S. is *on its list* to take over...)

And for those people who need some additional facts about what the evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam is doing, look at some of the following.

There’s no question about it... the enemy is *Islam* itself and the evil and oppressive and false idealogy that it perpetrates. Some say the problem is “fascism” (instead of the basic oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam, itself). But, that is to engage in “political correctness” and nothing more... and sidetracks people from the *true enemy* in this war.

In one generation we’ll see, right here in the United States that “Islam” is the enemy and not “fascism”...

Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

and also, this...

Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781

and then, looking at this...

“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts

This is the allowance of “false gods” to take over this nation because of the ignorance of the people of the land in regards to the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

And so, we see that we’re going to have the “false god of Islam” ruling over the USA and running the USA in just one generation from now.

17 posted on 06/11/2010 8:18:37 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: org.whodat
When I was young I was told that little quote often, was even told it was in the bible, it's not and there is no such statement.

Gen. 1:28

18 posted on 06/11/2010 8:18:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: cradle of freedom
Here is the video "Demographic Winter" ... which everyone should see. Take a look and see how you've been tricked and fooled into believing the garbage about population explosion and the need for reducing the population ... LOL ... what a "liberal lie" that has been ...
  1. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  2. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  3. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  4. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  5. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  6. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  7. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  8. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  9. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  10. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family
  11. Demographic Winter - The Decline of the Human Family

19 posted on 06/11/2010 8:19:24 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Judith Anne

it is one of those great translation lies, passed down for years without question. When the bible was written, the people only knew how to add and subtract, the concept of multiplication would have been as foreign as a TV. It could just as well meant go out and do well.


20 posted on 06/11/2010 8:23:16 PM PDT by org.whodat
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