Ping!
A lesson ~ if you want to be a Protestant, go to a Protestant church. We don’t bite. Still, you need to be careful to pick one with an “open burial” policy eh!
>>”Any woman who seeks ordination incurs excommunication,” said Fr. Daniel Smilanic. <<
Well she wasn’t really Catholic, now was she?
I can call myself a gorilla, that doesn’t make me a gorilla.
I don't agree with Catholic doctrines in some cases, but they have the absolute right to operate their church as they see fit. If someone doesn't like how they do it, they don't have to be a Catholic.
Not true. She automatically excommunicated herself when she set herself up in Holy Orders.
The same way people hurt themselves when they jump off bridges: just as certain, just as automatic.
Chicago’s North Side...
nuff said.
She can rant to St.Peter now.
Last month, Janine was ordained in a simulation, according to the Archdiocese, which carries an automatic penalty.While the prayers of the faithful may have saved her somehow, or she may have said she was sorry with her last breaths, still and all, the powers of the devil are frightening indeed. He pounded away even (or especially!) when she only had days to live ...
The condescending, accusatory tone of this article is repugnant. Using a woman’s death as yet another opportunity to bash the Church? Well, whatever it takes. And of course, she and her “partner” had planned it that way... going out with big drama, what fun! Wonder what she thinks of that silly gesture right about now?
*shrug* Whatever.
I hear the Roman Catholics also have a big down on burying Satanists, Muslims, Pagans, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Animists, Atheists, animals, and a whole bunch of other non-Roman Catholics in consecrated Roman Catholic cemeteries. How mean and unfair of them.
But sarcasm aside, while much has been written in church doctrine about death bed conversion, there is little about death bed renunciation, I suppose because the church doesn’t want to slam the door on any variety of possible redemption. This is rather unfortunate, in that while someone who despises the church might eventually be provided some form or means of redemption, there would seem to be no harm in assuming that they got what was coming to them.
The writer waits until nearly 2/3 of the way through the article before it's revealed that Janine is a lesbian. Lesson learned = you can be a "longtime" lesbian and still get a "church funeral", but once you try to become a priest, you lose.
THe "ordained" should be in quotes.
Dang, is this is a column....very biased reporting if supposed to be a straight news story.
This story screams “sweeps month” ratings grabber.
I’m not Catholic and don’t exactly agree with much of the theology, but this is ridiculous. She was not lawfully ordained and therefore does not deserve a Catholic burial. If this results in automatic excommunication (unfortunately it doesn’t in Protestant churches...), she is no longer Christian and therefore should not get treated as such.
I was frankly surprised, Mr. Levine, upon RE-reading the sad article about the death of Janine Denomme, that you designate yourself a "reporter" on this one. You ought to have called this an Op/Ed. and yourself a "commentator."
From the very headline --- "Woman Ordained as Priest" --- you are not reporting straight facts. Janine Denomme was not ordained. She set herself up for an attempted ordination, or a simulated ordination, or an enactment of an ordination, but she was not "ordained," any more than I could have my friends give me a great statuette of a football player and then call myself a Heisman Trophy winner.
And from your first line --- "There are tough questions for the Archdioces of Chicago" --- you are communicating opinion here, and not facts.
That ought to have been clarified, Mr. Levine.
I feel sorry for this woman, who must have had many attractive qualities. I have prayed for her, because there was apparently a lot she didn't understand.
This applies to you as well. As it does to us all, limited as we are: but God alone knows everything, and is merciful.
“Tough questions”? Let’s see self proclaimed woman priest. Apparent active lesbian. What ‘tough questions’? It’s the Roman Catholic Church., not the Episcopalians. She excommunicated herself by her ‘ordination’. She did not repent. She cast herself out.
I totally endorse the Church and its actions. Now if they would be just as vocal in not allowing politicians who are pro abortion from having Catholic burials (Ted Kennedy pops into my mind)then I will have tons more respect for their decision.
spine!
I think this needs to be upgraded from barf alert to steaming pile warning.
That being said I do hope the woman repented of her sins and was reconciled to Christ.
In other words, she was counting on there being a soft-hearted priest somewhere who would go against Catholic teaching, and give her a Catholic burial, even after she'd been excommunicated.
She was making her own rules, in the church she'd created in her mind, as the one SHE thought would be 'just'. Too bad she didn't consider sinfulness and pride when she was considering 'justice'. Those are the things that she used to reject the Church with regards to ordination, and God's natural law with regards to her choice of sexual orientation.
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In what way was this woman a Catholic?