Posted on 03/25/2010 12:58:38 PM PDT by TaraP
The world will have an extraordinary opportunity to look upon an undistorted, never-before-seen, moving 3-D portrait of a man who many think is the crucified Jesus Christ.
In just one week, graphic experts will bring to life an imprint on the holy relic known as the Shroud of Turin, believed by millions to be the burial shroud of Christ.
The Shroud of Turin bears the full-body, back-and-front image of a crucified man that is said to closely resemble the New Testament description of the passion and death of Christ. The 14-foot cloth long has posed mysteries because of its age and its negative image of a bloodstained and battered man who had been crucified. Believers claim it to be the miraculous image of Jesus, formed as he rose from the dead.
The History Channel will air "The Real Face of Jesus?," a special two-hour event that premieres March 30 at 9 p.m. EST. It aims to bring the world as close as it has ever come to seeing what Jesus may have actually looked like.
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Thanks. Someone else said that the nose is mostly cartilage, so it would not go against Scripture, I guess.
I'm sure they are, but these were probably bought by common people not wealthy men like Joseph of Arimathea:
And Joseph buying fine linen, and taking him down, wrapped him up in the fine linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewed out of a rock. And he rolled a stone to the door of the sepulchre. (Mark 15:46)
Bone means bone. It is my understanding that what is commonly referred to as a broken nose is not a break of either bone or cartilage, it is typically the cartilage being torn away from the bone.
Thanks. This has been a most interesting and educational thread.
“Muslims would kill anyone who dared to show a picture of Mohammad”
They want to hide the face of evil.
I would love to go!
I am going to talk to my husband and see what we can do..
Thanks for the info!
ad hominem is not valid refutation among scientists, nor in serious discussion.
...and for the nonce, I haven't seen any manned aircraft yet (in the public domain) which have matched the SR-71; even if it *was* done over 30 years ago.
Mere "refutation by age" is also logically invalid -- how old is calculus?
Nice try, child.
Again, you are correct.
The cloth is of exceptionally fine quality, even by today’s standards. It would have been unbelievably expensive “back in the day”.
Also, this guy’s point about bodies being found, dated from the first century, with different cloth and different forms of body wrapping, yada yada....
Again, NEVER let “facts” get in the way of such people. Is everyone in America (or Alabama or Idaho or your own hometown) buried exactly the same way? It’s already established that the herringbone weave was around for far longer than Jesus’ time. Again, annoying little “fact”.
Also, let’s look at this: The burial of Jesus, as described in the New Testament gospels, was very hurried. Passover was rapidly approaching. His body received minimal “clean up”. The whole idea was that they’d return after Passover (3 days) and finish the job properly, according to Jewish laws of the day.
Guess we know what happened when they returned.
Also have to mention the lack a face cloth over the body while shrouded. Didn’t work that way. Face cloths were used in various ways, usually as a means of concealing the face of the deceased until burial. Christ’s face was covered by a cloth while He still hung on the cross (after He died). Note that it was also found in the tomb, next to the shroud. In other words, you didn’t leave it on when wrapping a body in a shroud.
Oh....another little tidbit. The body of the man in the Shroud was in rigor mortis but NOT putrefaction....meaning he had been dead for 24-36 hours, but not as long as 72 hours.
btt
Your memory is only a tad flawed... The carbon date testing was done in 1988, not 1978... and it was the scientists who did the testing who gleefully claimed it to be a medieval relic and a hoax. The rest of what you have stated is pretty accurate and true. The patch material is dyed cotton that is rewoven into the original undyed Linen in a proportion between 60% new to 40% old to 40% new to 60% old... and gives rise to the disparity of the 1988 test's sample's date results. And, no. new testing of the charred pieces is not yet being done.
An unauthorized C-14 test was done prior to the 1988 test from a thread pulled from the center of the Shroud... and the age reported from that admittedly small sample was 1st Century, give or take 100 years (due to the small sample). That test has never been published and is only whispered about among Shroud scholars because it was unauthorized and the researcher who did it was wrong to have done it without permission. However, it's results fly in the face of the later results of the authorized test... along with a lot of other scholarship that show the provenance of the shroud to be older than the earliest date of the 1988 test results.
“He looks more Western European Caucasian than Middle Eastern Semitic..................Somehow, I don’t think this is what He looks like...........”
Are you the same idiot that was posting this nonsense on another thread about Jesus? Let me ask you...what are God’s genes like then? Fool...
“Jesus looks Italian in all the paintings I have seen.”
Hmmm, and you sound like a fool...
“The shroud has been carbon dated no older than the 13th century.”
No, the patches have been carbon dated to around the fourteenth century...get informed. These patches also contained dye, which the original parts of the shroud do not contain.
“Tortillas, dead trees, potato chips.. yeah.”
Another imbecile, insulting other people who are better than him so that he might have some delusional semblance of dignity in him tiny mind.
Yes, people who see visions or faces on tortillas, dead trees and potato chips are indeed pretty imbecilic.
insulting other people who are better than him
If you think some nutcase who sees Jesus in a tortilla is better than you,
then you have far deeper troubles than can be sorted out here. Seek help.
“One that particularly irks me, again from the art side of the equation, is that it was obviously a Medieval forgery”
How can you reach this conclusion?
Indeed the carbon dating done was conducted on patches that were made during the medieval period. Forensic examination showed the image was consistent to the nth degree with that of someone who had been scourged and crucified. There has never been a way to produce this image and there are things which could not even be seen until recent technological advances (blood serum). So, your medieval forger would have had to known about blood serum centuries before it was known and to know that a certain wavelength would be used that would expose it centuries before the equipment was developed. So, again I ask...how can you day that it was obviously a medieval forgery?
So, hit a nerve eh? Well, how does it feel? So, why would you insult others here? I guess my explanation about your dim witted ego must be true.
Hardly.
Well, how does it feel?
Just fine. It's good not to be delusional.
So, why would you insult others here?
Because some of them are delusional?
Tell us, do YOU often see visions in tortillas?
You may be among the delusional ones.
I find it interesting that you continue to project delusions that you make up in your mind and attribute them to others. You are the only one who has stated anything about seeing Jesus in tortillas, etc. I wonder...do you get these ideas from little green lizards or something? Don’t worry, you can open up here, I will be sensitive to your special needs.
ahh - I think you need to go back and read my post - and the post that I was answering to.
I was saying that one of the worst refutations of the Shroud by people who either haven't studied it or have a vested interest in disproving is - one that ticks me off the most is saying it's a Medieval hoax.
If you still don't believe me, you can check back on my other posts - You will find me a staunch defender of The Shroud.
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