ahh - I think you need to go back and read my post - and the post that I was answering to.
I was saying that one of the worst refutations of the Shroud by people who either haven't studied it or have a vested interest in disproving is - one that ticks me off the most is saying it's a Medieval hoax.
If you still don't believe me, you can check back on my other posts - You will find me a staunch defender of The Shroud.
My apologies, my only excuse besides being a known moron is that I drove a motor home all day and am quite tired.
Please forgive me.
John