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WAS A “RESTORATION” OF THE GOSPEL NECESSARY?
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Posted on 03/19/2010 8:59:34 AM PDT by svcw

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”—History of the Church, Volume 1, p. XL

According to LDS Scripture, the Apostle John (D&C 7) and the three Nephites (3 Nephi 28) never died. So, how could Gospel “authority” have left the earth, needing “restoration”?

“…in the latter times some shall depart from the faith…”—1 Timothy 4:1

If only “some” would depart from the faith, how could a “complete apostasy” have occurred? Did Jesus fail to preserve His Church against the gates of hell?

“I will build MY church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” —Matthew 16:18

“...that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once [for all time] delivered unto the saints.” —Jude 3

“...but though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” —Galatians 1:9


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To: Gamecock

That’s why it’s advisable to do it God’s way and not man’s way...

mormonism wont help you find your way out of a paper bag...

let alone to God...

God is not confused... 1 Corinthians 14:33

and we arent mice...

Many are the plans in the minds of men but God’s way will be established Proverbs 19:21

Jesus said to Joey Smith and the mormons, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me.” John 14:6


421 posted on 03/22/2010 1:28:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: trisham
Yea, it is. So I am amazed that for what ever apparent reason you are not seeing the difference between mormon and mormonism.
I have seen posts directly from lds links, IE web sites, historical documents, videos, etc. If you are bothered by this exposure of lds teachings sorry.
Remember it is mormonism NOT mormon.

As a side note the very foundation of mormonism is bigotry against Christians.

422 posted on 03/22/2010 1:34:17 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: trisham

Just read your profile page. I did not know you are Catholic. Considering how lds feel about Catholics from the beginning, I am surprised you have aligned yourself as their defender.


423 posted on 03/22/2010 1:37:01 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

Your posts seem somewhat redundant, don’t you think? I wonder why.


424 posted on 03/22/2010 1:38:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: svcw
I am surprised you have aligned yourself as their defender.

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It's easy enough to understand. I disapprove of bigotry.

425 posted on 03/22/2010 1:40:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Sometimes people need to hear things over and over and over...............mormonISM not mormon.


426 posted on 03/22/2010 1:42:34 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: trisham

No I don’t understand defending a group that would throw you off the bridge.


427 posted on 03/22/2010 1:43:18 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

I’m not surprised that you would not understand me. It seems we have nothing in common, for which I am quite grateful.


428 posted on 03/22/2010 1:45:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Well, that will bruise me in the morning.
Apparently you do not understand the disdain the lds have for Catholics. Its ok, you will learn soon enough.
429 posted on 03/22/2010 1:49:28 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Gamecock

that was actually pretty funny.


430 posted on 03/22/2010 1:58:56 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: trisham; svcw

Isn’t it wonderful how they keep proving over and over again
what we’re talking about? lol.


431 posted on 03/22/2010 2:02:05 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: svcw
Apparently you do not understand the disdain the lds have for Catholics. Its ok, you will learn soon enough.

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Goodness. That almost sounds like wishful thinking.

You're right. I have learned something, and sooner than you predicted!

432 posted on 03/22/2010 2:02:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

What LL. That the foundation of lds is bigotry. Yep we have shown that. Thanks for pointing that out.


433 posted on 03/22/2010 2:03:53 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

They’re doing our work for us. :)


434 posted on 03/22/2010 2:04:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
 
The purpose of me blessing you with my presence on this thread is to defend Mormons against your character assassinations.
 
 
To balance out your defense of MORMONs; could you find some time to defend us poor misguided Christians once in a while?


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.
 
Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

435 posted on 03/22/2010 2:04:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Thank you very much.

I will now leave the thread!


436 posted on 03/22/2010 2:04:30 PM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: trisham
If you defend Mormons, the antis will come after you with hammer and tongs.

Pay ATTENTION!

We use mere words: words of MORMONism - colored.


You know the old saying:

Sticks and stones
Will break my bones;
But words just
Piss me off.

437 posted on 03/22/2010 2:06:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

LOL. You are one clever dude.


438 posted on 03/22/2010 2:07:11 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

It don’t matter HOW slow you type it,
Masocists just LOVE being the victim.


439 posted on 03/22/2010 2:08:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trisham

All this speaking out in anger and spewing vitriol is supposed to convince their imaginary lurkers to fall to their knees and beg for what they have. Wow.
Sad.


440 posted on 03/22/2010 2:10:11 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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