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WAS A “RESTORATION” OF THE GOSPEL NECESSARY?
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Posted on 03/19/2010 8:59:34 AM PDT by svcw

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”—History of the Church, Volume 1, p. XL

According to LDS Scripture, the Apostle John (D&C 7) and the three Nephites (3 Nephi 28) never died. So, how could Gospel “authority” have left the earth, needing “restoration”?

“…in the latter times some shall depart from the faith…”—1 Timothy 4:1

If only “some” would depart from the faith, how could a “complete apostasy” have occurred? Did Jesus fail to preserve His Church against the gates of hell?

“I will build MY church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” —Matthew 16:18

“...that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once [for all time] delivered unto the saints.” —Jude 3

“...but though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” —Galatians 1:9


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To: restornu; Tennessee Nana; All

***There is no Christ like qualities from any of you antis!***

Christians are not the ones who started this fight back in 1829 when a backwoods hick walked out of the woods and proclaimed he was right and ALL churches were wrong and we had better follow him or else he would stand at the gate of heaven and not let anyone pass who didn’t believe in his ravings!

Smith threw down the gauntlet and DARED Christians to pick it up! They did and Mormons have been whining ever since.


241 posted on 03/19/2010 8:16:35 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (If I say to you "I'm your friend" ....RUN!)
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To: restornu; Saundra Duffy
It is good that you said that the world has feels it can change the Lord?s ordinance but those who follow the true principles of the Lord's Gospel knows that Lord is the same

What will happen to the MORMONs who FAIL to follow the Lord's commands?


 

 

 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501–507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives; 26–27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.
  59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
  60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.
  61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
  62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
  63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.
  64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
  65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.
  66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.
 
 

242 posted on 03/19/2010 8:23:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
There is order in the house of the Lord ordinance don’t change at a whim like the tradition of men who do not adhere to the principles of the Lord Gospel!

Who received 'the word of the Lord' to CHANGE & MODIFY the TEMPLE RITES?

243 posted on 03/19/2010 8:24:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I just stand up for the persecuted.
 
 
 
THANK GOD!!!
 
 
A fellow INMAN!!!


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 

244 posted on 03/19/2010 8:25:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: xzins

Ha!

If you wuz MORMON, you could be an elder withOUT being ‘ordained’!


245 posted on 03/19/2010 8:26:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy

You say my Jesus is not your Jesus.
____________________________________________

Well actually it was the false prophet Joey Smith who invented your mormon jesus.

the mormon jesus was a polygamist ...

he did not obey the Ten Commandments...

and didnt shed his blood on the cross

he didnt die on the Cross to save anyone...

He did not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies...

he was not born in Bethlehem...

and was a brother to Satan..

was not God...

could not save anyone...

was not the second person of the Trinity...

started out as a man...

his father was a god who staqrted out as a man...

his father had a father and so on...

was not born of a virgin...

shared the redemption opportunity with satan...they tossed for it...

was not the only begotten son of God..

has a father with a body of flesh and bone...

shares his beginnings with mankind..nothing unique...

did not finish the job when he died...

had wives and children...

sweated in the Garden of Gethsemane to save the mormons..

told the mormons to remember him with water instead of wine..

commanded mormons to commit polygamy in order to be saved..

has his own book “A testimony of a different jesus”

got careless and lost his “church” ...

had to have a puny man help him find it...

had to have a puny man so call “restore” it for him...

a mere man was greater than he...

was and is powerless, limited, anemic...

and so on...

Yes the mormon jesus is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible...

Mormonism is not Christianity...


246 posted on 03/19/2010 8:27:12 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

The GOOD Methodists or the BAD ones? ;^)


247 posted on 03/19/2010 8:27:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
We Chri8stians use this verse a lot ...

That's TWICE as good as 4.

248 posted on 03/19/2010 8:28:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
Now that doesn’t mean I will agree with all the modes of faith and worship that others may have...

Does this generosity extend to MORMONs, as well?

249 posted on 03/19/2010 8:29:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
the mormons of Utah would arrest him and put him in jail...

For 75 YEARS??!!??


Don't Mess With TEXAS!!

250 posted on 03/19/2010 8:30:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

Ya all display boorish behavior condescending, catty remark, bating all the things the a Pharisees would do....

There is no Christ like qualities from any of you antis!
__________________________________________

There ya go again...

speaking of things you know nothing about...

Woman where’s your mormon pesthood ???

wheres your authority to teach the men in these threads ???

Eh ???

Thats right you dont have one ...

Does your bishop know what you are doing ???

Resty, you are in danger of ex-communication ...


251 posted on 03/19/2010 8:31:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I countered with the fact that Philip had no independent witnesses to the Acts writers claim that Philip was transported.

why?

252 posted on 03/19/2010 8:32:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

INDEED!


253 posted on 03/19/2010 8:33:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
There is nothing more I can do nor should I have to.

You are right!

What is your take on all the MORMON leaders who have said otherwise?

254 posted on 03/19/2010 8:34:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Well then it becomes a matter of whether or not the person thinks your writings are inspired or not. I happen to not.

On the evidence; or on your feelings?

255 posted on 03/19/2010 8:35:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well, Elsie, even if you don’t agree with us I hope you would believe we Mormons have the right to worship as we please. I am extremely grateful to live in a country where I can practice my religion freely. There are many places in the world where people are not so blessed.


256 posted on 03/19/2010 8:36:30 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Elsie

Resty doesnt know ... the answer to the question...
________________________________________

That question takes a mormon pesthood ...

mormon females dont warrant a mormon pesthood...

they iznt worthy...

Oh noes...


257 posted on 03/19/2010 8:36:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy
I was baptized a Latter-day Saint as a young man 25 years ago.

Then there is time left; for to some of us - you are STILL a 'young man'! ;^)

258 posted on 03/19/2010 8:37:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
Start from a false assumption and everything else becomes grosser error.

Christ was not just one of a number of some man god's spirit children in some preexistence Christ is the word made flesh. He is God, not a god but The God, who has existed forever.. The Bible is very clear in this. Ironically the BOM is also replete with references to the Trinity. Of course that is conveniently kicked to the curb because one of the big selling points the LDS con pushes is the whole “god of your own harem and planet” bit which dies rather rapidly in the True Monotheistic reality of the Trinity.

Anything else demotes Christ and putting him on par with the Evil One himself just makes it worse.

259 posted on 03/19/2010 8:39:15 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: Elsie

Hi Elsie...

How are you ???

:)


260 posted on 03/19/2010 8:40:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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