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Benedict’s Papacy In Crisis? (Catholic Caucus ONLY)
CE ^ | March 12, 2010 | Dr. Robert Moynihan

Posted on 03/12/2010 5:15:20 AM PST by NYer

Edited on 03/12/2010 2:36:51 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Wednesday in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI gave a fascinating talk containing important insights into the ideas and principles guiding his pontificate.

And this talk, given at his regular Wednesday Audience, came as a series of terrible crises continues to strike the Church, from scandals in Ireland to matters connected to the founder of the Legionaries of Christ, from scandals in Germany to accusations against the Pope’s own brother, Father Georg Ratzinger.


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1 posted on 03/12/2010 5:15:20 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer
Benedict seems to be lurching from crisis to crisis — from the 2006 speech Benedict gave that offended Muslims and touched off violence, to his repeated clashes with the Jewish community, to his rehabilitation last year of a schismatic right-wing bishop who is also a Holocaust denier.

That's it? Those are the crises? He rebuked Islam and he lifted the ban from a penitent?

Thanks for posting this NYer, it gives an insight into the thought processes of an "Inside the beltway" writer in a Vatican context. But IMO this article is a lot of froth about nothing.

2 posted on 03/12/2010 5:19:53 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: NYer

well it’s not like he caused these scandals. Look at the bishops in the lands where they are taking place. And so what if he pisses off the muslims. good for him.


3 posted on 03/12/2010 5:20:40 AM PST by JustMytwocents70
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
Recall then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger's reflection on the Ninth Station of the Cross when asked to write these meditations by JPII.

How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to him! How much pride, how much self-complacency! What little respect we pay to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, where he waits for us, ready to raise us up whenever we fall!

It is well worth reflecting on the WAY OF THE CROSS AT THE COLOSSEUM - GOOD FRIDAY 2005.

On this Friday in Lent, I would encourage all Catholics to remember Pope Benedict XVI in their prayers and personal sacrifices. We know the source of this attack. Fr. Amorth has correctly assessed the situation.

4 posted on 03/12/2010 5:24:22 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer
The battle occurring right now is over how history will judge Benedict’s papacy.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people insist on debating and discussing things that can't be known - at least can't be known at this time. I guess it's easier to speculate on things than to elucidate.

5 posted on 03/12/2010 5:24:22 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican

Perhaps, it’s wishful thinking. Darkness fears light.


6 posted on 03/12/2010 5:29:27 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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7 posted on 03/12/2010 5:30:50 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: NYer
Much of it is wishful thinking, and that wishful thinking is of demonic origin.

1) Satan is a liar, and the father thereof, and a murderer from the beginning. God personally told me that ... I believe Him.

2) Many news-critters think that their job is not reporting. They see their job as making the news, helping people understand the news, forming their interpretation thereof, molding their opinions. NBC Channel 4 in Washington DC has been running radio and TV ads for their news broadcasts explicitly touting that theme. They're proud of it.

3) Benedict has seriously annoyed the political and ecclesiastical "left". His teaching of Christian theology and doctrine has been solidly Catholic and Patristic. He exposed the mohammedans for the animals that they are. He has championed the "extraordinary form" of the Mass and the return to reverence in the "ordinary form" of the Mass. He has successfully reached out to some very "conservative" "disaffected elements". Satan is, no doubt, FURIOUS!

3) When Satan is furious, he looses his "flying monkeys" ... humans who follow his agenda. The "left", and the press are shot through with them. A few of them also infest the Church, both in the hierarchy and the laity. They will lie, cheat, steal, slander, seduce, and very likely even murder to promote their agenda.

4) Benedict's pontificate has so far been relentlessly Godly. OF Course the Enemy is assailing him. We know what happened to Benedict's "Immediate Supervisor" ... and Jesus also told us to expect slander and persecution.

5) "Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:10 May Our Lord continue to bless and protect Pope Benedict, and may the Holy Spirit continue to inspire his words and actions.

8 posted on 03/12/2010 5:49:49 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: narses

I see sources in this article like ‘Politics Daily’ and the ‘AP’. What do we expect from such sources? There are plenty of people hoping that Pope Benedict XVI (and the Church) will fail. I remember many many reacting unfavorably to his election. They wanted a liberal pontiff would ‘reach out’ and accept the worldly notions that were becoming popular in the liberal corners of the Church. Instead, they got a faithful conservative who acknowledges that the Church might get smaller, but would become stronger in faith.

The seminaries in North America (and some countries abroad) are filling up with good conservative and devout men. The progressive holdovers are very disdainful of this.

God bless Pope Benedict XVI.


9 posted on 03/12/2010 5:56:35 AM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: NYer
The Pope's primary duty is to the faith and salvation of the Catholics he leads. He does not have a duty to make nice to non-Christians except insofar as it may be needed to protect Catholics and other Christians from persecution and harassment in following their faith.

As part of his primary duty, he has an obligation to vigorously act root out abusers and perverts among the clergy.

10 posted on 03/12/2010 5:56:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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While there has been no suggestion of wrongdoing by Benedict, the launch of an inquiry by German Catholic officials after his brother admitted he slapped children years ago is stirring Vatican fears of a major crisis for the papacy.

Is that their complaint about the Pope's brother? With the breathless lead up to that revelation, you'd have thought he'd been caught in bed with a live girl or a dead boy.

Seriously, the man was a choir director, and sometimes, in the past, that's how teachers, choir directors, Scout leaders, heck MOTHERS, got the attention of a misbehaving, or fresh-mouthed child.

I'm not minimizing the fact that there has been abuse of children or young people, by priests, brothers, nuns, or others connected to the Church, but claiming that any of it is causing a 'crisis' in Benedict XVI's papacy is ludicrous. All of the abuse mentioned took place years before he ever became Pope. In fact, it was he who sent the message to the American Bishops many years ago that they'd better start getting a grip on wayward priests, and that they should screen seminarians much more closely for homosexual tendencies. He understood, even if the American Bishops didn't want to admit it, that much of the problem was actually homosexuality and not pedophilia.

It is not surprising that there are attacks on this Pope. He is absolutely unapologetic in pronouncing what he sees as problems in the world caused by our choosing sin, instead of God's ways. He drove the left nuts long before he became Pope, because he has been outspoken for years. That's how he earned the nickname 'God's Rottweiler'. ;o)

11 posted on 03/12/2010 6:04:42 AM PST by SuziQ
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Barack Obama, through his minions, assists in killing children throughout the world on a vast scale, and works diligently to kill even more.

The Pope's brother admits that he slapped kids on occasion, years ago.

Guess whose administration is in "crisis," according to the AP.

12 posted on 03/12/2010 6:22:46 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Graing

Exactly. He is pissing of the right people. Agents of Satan: the media, the secular left, islam, communists, and CINOs are exactly the people who will at best, turn away from you and who at worst, will gladly participate in adding their knife to your back.

Personally I believe that Pope Benedict XVI is much more savvy than many opponents give him credit for being.


13 posted on 03/12/2010 6:26:00 AM PST by Crolis ("Nemo me impune lacessit!" - "No one provokes me with impunity!")
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To: SuziQ

Yes, and in present times people always like to use the mores of today to define the past. In my day almost everyone got physically disciplined by someone.

In grade school my husband and his friends had a competition and the winner was the one who got the most paddlings from the principal. The school didn’t get permission from the parents or counsel them, they just spanked them. The contest was over when they got a body building type principal who knocked them across the room when he paddled, my husband only got paddled once by him.

I tried my hardest to be perfect and fade into the woodwork but I still got whapped a few times over the knuckles in 1st grade and the bad kids got it daily. Neither of us were in Catholic schools this was the regular public schools.

What we might consider to be abuse today was just discipline in my generation and you didn’t go home and tell Mom and Dad because you would get punished again for getting punished at school.


14 posted on 03/12/2010 6:39:50 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: NYer
This "corporal punishment" stuff is a complete tempest in a teapot. Not long ago--and for 3,000 years before that--it was thought that young boys could not be taught without corporal punishment.

Now, we have done away with that. And, wouldn't you know? We've raised several generations of good, upstanding, moral, and emotionally mature young men!


15 posted on 03/12/2010 6:56:35 AM PST by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: NYer

You are correct...and THIS needs repeating:

“On this Friday in Lent, I would encourage all Catholics to remember Pope Benedict XVI in their prayers and personal sacrifices. We know the source of this attack. Fr. Amorth has correctly assessed the situation.”


16 posted on 03/12/2010 7:13:38 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NYer

It is hard to say for sure, but I would not be surprised if history judges Benedict’s papacy mroe favorably than JPII’s in many ways.

I agree with the others who say he is ticking off the right people.


17 posted on 03/12/2010 7:17:48 AM PST by CTK YKC
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To: NYer
Oh, good Lord! What a bunch of hoohah over almost nothing.

I will tell you something, too, that I've gleaned from my experience in 30 years as a lawyer. Folks who come forward years and years after the fact to make allegations which cannot be defended against because everybody else is dead -- are NOT telling the truth. The idea that shame prevented them from coming forward might have been true in the 50s and 60s when many kids were taught that priests could do no wrong, but in the post-VCII climate of general lack of reverence towards priests, plus the open discussion of sex and molestation EVERYWHERE, that excuse hasn't washed for at least a quarter century.

Some of them are mentally unstable people who imagine themselves into believing it, or are attracted by all the media attention given to accusations against the Church. Some are talked into it by lawyers. Some hate the Church and are deliberately lying to hurt her. And some are just greedy, venal persons who jump on a bandwagon in the hopes of getting some money. Years ago, the law firm I worked for represented MARTA, the Atlanta bus company. The company staged a "sting" -- they set up an apparent bus wreck on Peachtree Street with an unoccupied bus -- police, wrecker, car crossways in front of it. It made the papers. Within two weeks they had over ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE who claimed to have been on that bus and have been injured. You can't make this stuff up.

18 posted on 03/12/2010 7:17:59 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: agere_contra

It is froth about nothing. I love that Benedict spoke the truth about Islam. That’s why there was a stink. He is one of the handful of folks in the world who dared to speak out. Clearly and with authority.

Those who speak the Truth will always be targeted by those who hate the Truth.


19 posted on 03/12/2010 7:19:30 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: tiki
Exactly. I was a painfully conscientious child, very obedient in school. I still got paddled a few times. I deserved it too.

Anybody who's had much experience with choirboys knows that a rap on the head with the conductor's baton or a hymnal is sometimes necessary to simmer things down. People have written entire books about mischievous kids in parish boys' choirs. I can highly recommend this one:

Actually, I highly recommend anything by William Mayne, especially Earthfasts. He is one of the best writers for children around.

20 posted on 03/12/2010 7:24:50 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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