Posted on 02/19/2010 5:07:29 PM PST by bogusname
Co-redemptrix is Latin, Einstein, not English. Try and keep up.
and we'd still get the drift from the usage in thousands of documents.
IT'S UNMITIGATED NONSENSE to pretend that NON-ROMAN CATHOLICS ET AL; NON VATICAN AFFILIATES ET AL; NON-MARY'S HANKIES ET AL
Can use words so exhaustively, so extensively, so outrageously . . . and pretend that their usage thereby doesn't mean what the usage clearly shows the words to mean BY THOSE WRITING & SPEAKING THE SENTENCES.
It seems to me that JW's are the only other cult . . . unless maybe it's Scientology and some shades of Mormanism . . . that's so abjectly willfully blind obtuse about such things.
This is not quite sacred underwear . . . it's a sacred rubber dictionary.
WOW.
Considering the source, that’s pretty great flattery.
Thanks.
Thank you for the post. She is also now “the firstborn of Creation”, totally unbiblical as the Catholic Church has used her to usurp every title that belongs only and rightfully to Christ.
The English phrase has roots entirely in Latin, Petronski, and so splitting hairs between one or the other does not alter the meaning.
But, just running with this for a second, if in fact "co-" merely means "with," as several have stated, then why the feminine form of Redeemer? It makes no sense, linguistically, unless the intended meaning is "with the female Redeemer." Clearly, the intended meaning is not that.
Therefore, "co-redemptrix" means the female partner in Redemption, which is the meaning that you and others are at pains to avoid, apparently due to the faint recognition that such a belief is absolutely contrary to the Bible, in which Redemption is through Jesus Christ alone.
It means what it's proponents say it means.
You do not get to redefine it.
What we are discussing is the “word of God”. I doubt you are you denying the word of God?
We don’t have first hand knowledge the same as we don’t have first hand knowledge about Washington or Lincoln but we believe through written ad verbal history...and faith.
Each have lived relative to each other to have witnessed among themselves. It was a rather small world and first hand knowledge was possible,
St polycarp lived A.D. 69-155
Irenaeus lived around 2nd century AD - c. 202
St Paul lived 5 BC - c.67 AD) St Paul
John the Apostle lie (c. 6 - c. 100
They are closer to Christ in time-frame than we were or are to Washington or Lincoln. I believe Iranus or Polycarp are as believable historically as Washington or Lincoln are historically.
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Alright. I'll play along. You're a proponent, apparently. So, please define the Latin phrase "co-redemptrix" in English, with clear reference to the acknowledged meaning of the Latin prefix "co-" as well as the word "redemptrix" with clear reference to the Latin root "redemptio." And, please clarify the reasoning and intent behind the use of the feminine form of "Redeemer."
Should be simple enough, right?
The only comment I have on this issue is this, and it is in the form of a question. If Mary held such an important role in the Church, why was she never talked about by the Apostles in their writings? EVER!
Her 'super-important' role never preached about by the early Church? EVER!
Only one brief introduction in the Book of Romans and she was far from being the first introduced. Even then, the only mention in the introduction was that of labour.
I saw where Quix said he hopes it is a huge kettle of corn. I have to agree!
BTW, I think panzerkamphwageneinz said it best in post #7.
"Mary delivered Jesus so that Jesus could deliver Mary."
-houeto.
So were the soldiers that nailed him to the cross.
You do not get to redefine it.
= = = =
Ahhhhhhhhhh
Sooooooooooooo
in the interest of lack of hypocrisy . . . does this now mean that
you are conceding that
you do not get to redefine Protty terms and usag?
What a miracle!
If it were Latin, then shouldn't it be cum-redemptrix?
I have never attempted to do such.
The woman with the Redeemer.
lol. That is a GREAT response.
Good thing we don’t worship Luther.
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