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Is Mary Co-Redemptress of the World?
CRI ^ | 2008 | Eric D. Svendsen

Posted on 02/19/2010 5:07:29 PM PST by bogusname

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To: Iscool
Then why continue to call Mary a co-redemptrix in English

Co-redemptrix is Latin, Einstein, not English. Try and keep up.

81 posted on 02/20/2010 10:25:58 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Quix
UTTER NONSENSE is what you post on a regular basis.
82 posted on 02/20/2010 10:27:40 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...
It could be Swahili

and we'd still get the drift from the usage in thousands of documents.

IT'S UNMITIGATED NONSENSE to pretend that NON-ROMAN CATHOLICS ET AL; NON VATICAN AFFILIATES ET AL; NON-MARY'S HANKIES ET AL

Can use words so exhaustively, so extensively, so outrageously . . . and pretend that their usage thereby doesn't mean what the usage clearly shows the words to mean BY THOSE WRITING & SPEAKING THE SENTENCES.

It seems to me that JW's are the only other cult . . . unless maybe it's Scientology and some shades of Mormanism . . . that's so abjectly willfully blind obtuse about such things.

This is not quite sacred underwear . . . it's a sacred rubber dictionary.

83 posted on 02/20/2010 10:35:54 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

WOW.

Considering the source, that’s pretty great flattery.

Thanks.


84 posted on 02/20/2010 10:37:02 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: daniel1212; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Gamecock; the_conscience

Thank you for the post. She is also now “the firstborn of Creation”, totally unbiblical as the Catholic Church has used her to usurp every title that belongs only and rightfully to Christ.


85 posted on 02/20/2010 10:44:37 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski
the proposed doctrine of Co-Redemptrix does not originate in English, but in Latin. It is in the translation from Latin to English where cum becomes co-.

The English phrase has roots entirely in Latin, Petronski, and so splitting hairs between one or the other does not alter the meaning.

But, just running with this for a second, if in fact "co-" merely means "with," as several have stated, then why the feminine form of Redeemer? It makes no sense, linguistically, unless the intended meaning is "with the female Redeemer." Clearly, the intended meaning is not that.

Therefore, "co-redemptrix" means the female partner in Redemption, which is the meaning that you and others are at pains to avoid, apparently due to the faint recognition that such a belief is absolutely contrary to the Bible, in which Redemption is through Jesus Christ alone.

86 posted on 02/20/2010 10:50:24 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Therefore, "co-redemptrix" means the female partner in Redemption...

It means what it's proponents say it means.

You do not get to redefine it.

87 posted on 02/20/2010 10:52:17 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool

What we are discussing is the “word of God”. I doubt you are you denying the word of God?

We don’t have first hand knowledge the same as we don’t have first hand knowledge about Washington or Lincoln but we believe through written ad verbal history...and faith.

Each have lived relative to each other to have witnessed among themselves. It was a rather small world and first hand knowledge was possible,

St polycarp lived A.D. 69-155
Irenaeus lived around 2nd century AD - c. 202
St Paul lived 5 BC - c.67 AD) St Paul
John the Apostle lie (c. 6 - c. 100

They are closer to Christ in time-frame than we were or are to Washington or Lincoln. I believe Iranus or Polycarp are as believable historically as Washington or Lincoln are historically.

ble


88 posted on 02/20/2010 10:58:49 AM PST by francky (Pro Life!)
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To: bogusname
bttt (a "top" which consists of the Triune God alone.)
89 posted on 02/20/2010 11:02:18 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
It means what it's proponents say it means. You do not get to redefine it.

Alright. I'll play along. You're a proponent, apparently. So, please define the Latin phrase "co-redemptrix" in English, with clear reference to the acknowledged meaning of the Latin prefix "co-" as well as the word "redemptrix" with clear reference to the Latin root "redemptio." And, please clarify the reasoning and intent behind the use of the feminine form of "Redeemer."

Should be simple enough, right?

90 posted on 02/20/2010 11:12:14 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: shibumi; Quix; The Comedian; panzerkamphwageneinz
I’ll be in the kitchen making popcorn if anybody needs me.

The only comment I have on this issue is this, and it is in the form of a question. If Mary held such an important role in the Church, why was she never talked about by the Apostles in their writings? EVER!

Her 'super-important' role never preached about by the early Church? EVER!

Only one brief introduction in the Book of Romans and she was far from being the first introduced. Even then, the only mention in the introduction was that of labour.

I saw where Quix said he hopes it is a huge kettle of corn. I have to agree!

BTW, I think panzerkamphwageneinz said it best in post #7.

"Mary delivered Jesus so that Jesus could deliver Mary."

-houeto.

91 posted on 02/20/2010 11:16:32 AM PST by houeto (Remember in November!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
For additional clarity as to what Roman Catholics think about their "co-redemptrix."...

Padre Pio and the Mother Co-redemptrix (CATHOLIC CAUCUS)

92 posted on 02/20/2010 11:18:27 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: SuziQ
The Church has never said that Mary is equal to Jesus, only that she was was an active participant in bringing redemption to human beings who were stained by Original Sin.

So were the soldiers that nailed him to the cross.

93 posted on 02/20/2010 11:21:59 AM PST by houeto (Remember in November!)
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To: Petronski; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

You do not get to redefine it.

= = = =

Ahhhhhhhhhh

Sooooooooooooo

in the interest of lack of hypocrisy . . . does this now mean that

you are conceding that

you do not get to redefine Protty terms and usag?

What a miracle!


94 posted on 02/20/2010 11:25:48 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Co-redemptrix is Latin, Einstein, not English. Try and keep up.

If it were Latin, then shouldn't it be cum-redemptrix?

95 posted on 02/20/2010 11:26:07 AM PST by houeto (Remember in November!)
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To: Quix
...you do not get to redefine Protty terms and usage...

I have never attempted to do such.

96 posted on 02/20/2010 11:33:58 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The woman with the Redeemer.


97 posted on 02/20/2010 11:35:21 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: houeto

lol. That is a GREAT response.


98 posted on 02/20/2010 11:39:51 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Good thing we don’t worship Luther.


99 posted on 02/20/2010 11:43:24 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: houeto; A.A. Cunningham
If it were Latin, it would be redemptor which, in Latin, only occurs in the male gender.

(But don't tell A.A. that. He views the exhaustive compendium of "William Whitaker's Words" to be a flawed source.)
100 posted on 02/20/2010 11:45:16 AM PST by shibumi (Health and well being for S. and L. - in Jesus name we pray!)
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