Posted on 02/03/2010 5:29:33 PM PST by RGirard
There is a lot of controversy right now over homosexuals in the military, gay marriage, teaching children in school ... At the root of this issue is the question of whether or not it is a choice, or if a person can be born gay/homosexual.
In the book "If You Read Just One Book This Year ... " the author, who goes by the pen-name "An American Man," addresses this issue ... The author starts out with a humorous approach ... by comparing homosexuals to vegetables ...
He proceeds to address hate crimes and how television media plays a role.
"Many people in the media seem to forget that intelligent consumers want to understand both sides ... I want to know and understand WHY people are gay ... Even if you don't like or didn't expect the answers you receive, shouldn't the TRUTH actually BE important?"
American Man then discusses how we are "losing out because of manipulative, selfish agendas ... because there is "no genetic proof that anyone is born gay. However, does that mean that people are NOT born gay? No. .... just like stem cell research, and evolution, and the education system ... ...
The author points out that "Many people have come in and out of the lifestyle...
So if it's not a genetic thing, then what is it?
"Part of it is cultural sexual lust ... it is like a fad or a virus. Some people are more susceptible than others. And once infected ..."
What other reason(s) could there be? ... [ see article ]
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Yes, but in some cultures, sex with animals is not that uncommon. So....are they just more genetically predisposed?
Whoops. Doggone it. I thought my connection dropped and ended up posting twice. Sorry...
“Yes, but in some cultures, sex with animals is not that uncommon. So....are they just more genetically predisposed?”
Boy, am I sorry I jumped into this thread early with my big mouth. :)
I got mine right. Good luck with this one, folks.
If there were a gay gene and so far science hasn't found it, it could be recessive.
Having said that, I know of no credible scientists who think they will ever find a gay gene. Some scientists who happen to be gay are included in that list. Those same credible scientists admit environment is the largest factor in determining our sexuality... yes, even the gay scientists.
There is absolutely no scientific data to support that. And they've been looking for over 20 years. Removing homosexuality as a mental disorder was political.
Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
No ruffled feathers - there may indeed be some pre-disposition but acting upon it and “becoming gay” are 2 different things.
Yes the thought of it makes me ill too!
Cheers
Mel
“Can a person be born gay/homosexual?”
Shallow question.
Read this and you’ll never view the subject the same way again:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2/PragerHomosexuality.shtml
BTW his mother won't even discuss it. She won't let anyone say the word gay around her. In fact, she still thinks it's a faze, even though he is almost 50 yrs old.
He is also the oldest sibling, so I don't think his younger brothers planted a seed before they were born.
You sound as silly as my mother-in-law.
Your mother in law is dead on. One doesn't condone mental illness.
Wow, you do have all the answers don’t you?
Look, I think we are all born with crosses to bear, and this might be his. How he handles it, is between him and God.
That was the question wasn’t it? So yes, I do think most are born that way.
You might want to worry about you own crosses for awhile. I might start with the judgement thing if I were you.
As I understand it, the vast majority of homosexuals (including lesbians) were molested, often at an early age.
Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder until around 1970. In recent years, the psychiatrist who lobbied the hardest to have it removed changed his mind.
It is complicated in the sense that most people don't want to accept that ALL mankind is born with a sin nature. Some homosexuals may argue that God made them that way, so therefore, they should not be put down. Some may also say they were born pedophiles or have a sexual attraction to animals or dead bodies. The list of perversions can be endless, yet we haven't heard anyone say yet that sex with children should be okay (yet!).
Alcoholism and drug addiction have ceased to called personal failures or weaknesses and are now thought to be diseases or addictive disorders. The argument has always been, "It's not my fault, I was born this way."
My opinion is that sin is sin and we are all guilty of something that God forbids. He has been quite clear that homosexual acts are an abomination to him. But he doesn't approve of heterosexual acts outside of marriage either. Nor does he approve of stealing, murder, lying, jealousy, idolatry or disrespect towards parents. Claiming God made me this way as an out to continue in behavior that is forbidden is to ignore the call to repentance God desires for all of us. It also rejects the forgiveness that he offers for all who come to him in faith. When we accept the Lord Jesus Christ as savior in faith by the grace of God, he creates within us a new nature and he promises us victory over sin and the ability to walk with him in newness of life.
Can't prove a negative and there's no need. Logic is all that is necessary. To believe there is such a gene you must also believe that men who are attracted sexually to underdeveloped humans (i.e. pedophiles) also have a gene that makes them so. Is that what you believe?
What you are suggesting is that human beings have some magic "spark" gene that causes attractions to others with certain physical characteristics, in which case the onus is upon YOU to prove the existence of such.
Attractions are purely mental exercises triggered by life experiences. There's nothing genetic about it.
I read rather than post "feelings".
APA drops "gay gene" claim, research shows change is possible for gays
Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
Born or Bred?: Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic
How he handles it, is between him and God.
Is that why you're talking about him on the thread? Because it's his business? YOU brought him onto the thread as a subject, not me.
I might start with the judgement thing if I were you.
You misuse that just like the libs do. Tell me, if we don't judge, how are we to tell others that what they do is wrong? If we do not judge then we cannot say that Mother Teresa was better than Bin Laden. And that verse, read in context, is about being hypocritical.
So, because your brother-in-law is tiny and "feminine" you leap to the assumption that he must have been born gay? Does your husband have sisters who are tall and big-boned that are lesbians?
It could just as easily be that he is gay because of the way everyone around him treated him as a result of his physical characteristics. Look at the comment your husband made - it was a prejudgment on him since he was a child. What normal human being could resist the sentence that all around him have imposed on him/her?
I think one of the most important relationships influencing the sexual orientation in males is the father-son relationship. Just from your few comments I would be willing to bet this man's father treated him differently than his other strapping youths, no?
“Sometimes it’s wiring, sometimes a choice.”
It is always a “choice” even if one is genetically predisposed. You may not be able to turn off your sexual desires, but you NEVER have to give into them. That goes for heterosexuals as well. To actively engage in sexual activity is ALWAYS a choice regardless of orientation.
Also, just because something is “wired” into a personna, that never makes it right. The ban is on prohibited BEHAVIOR not orientation or inclination.
Amen...cuz the government has done such a great job using our public schools for every social experiment anyone has ever thought about through the years - NOT!
“To believe there is such a gene you must also believe that men who are attracted sexually to underdeveloped humans (i.e. pedophiles) also have a gene that makes them so.”
That is a non-non sequitur.
Yes.
So what?
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