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Fundamentalists (five major points of conflict with Catholicism)
cerc ^ | Peter Kreeft

Posted on 01/03/2010 1:53:57 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 01/03/2010 1:53:57 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

We Catholics have all encountered fundamentalists on various FR threads. Sometimes it feels as if we were speaking different languages. Perhaps this thread will help to clarify our understandings.


2 posted on 01/03/2010 1:56:06 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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bfltr


3 posted on 01/03/2010 2:01:41 PM PST by mnehring
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To: NYer
Blessed Epiphany Sunday to you!

Now, I think i'll need popcorn...

4 posted on 01/03/2010 2:02:31 PM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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I doubt it. Since this seems more like a ‘this is why those people are the way they are. God love em’.’ article. *pat pat on head* Ish!


5 posted on 01/03/2010 2:02:51 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: NYer
Perhaps this thread will help to clarify our understandings.

I'm guessing that most of the fundamentalists aren't going to react that way.

Wanna make a bet?

6 posted on 01/03/2010 2:02:51 PM PST by grand wazoo
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“fundamentalists think the Catholic Church is under the control of Satan”

I don’t know if this is true. Maybe I’m just uninformed but I didn’t think fundamentalists were so anti-Catholic. Do they hate Pope John Paul II and his work against Communism and other evils?


7 posted on 01/03/2010 2:08:24 PM PST by detective
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8 posted on 01/03/2010 2:09:38 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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“Catholics agree with fundamentalists that Scripture is sufficient in that it contains everything necessary to know for salvation”

This is a fine and yet accurate statement. Catholics believe in Sacraments necessary for salvation, whereas fundamentalist don’t. This is a crucial difference.


9 posted on 01/03/2010 2:10:36 PM PST by Steelfish
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To Catholics, that’s like taking a baby out of the context of its mother.

Two problems with this statement:

1 - It's ludicrous to suggest that "the church" sits in authority on the Bible. Without the Bible, nobody would have the slightest clue what "the church" even is. there wouldn't even BE a "church" without the Bible to define and establish it.

2. Roman Catholicism is the product of a great deal of late theological development, primarily taking place between the 3rd and 6th centuries, long after the Bible was already completed.

10 posted on 01/03/2010 2:13:49 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives unite behind conservative Republicans in the primaries!)
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I wrote: "Perhaps this thread will help to clarify our understandings."

Neither one of you took the time to actually read the thread. Why? Too long? Too intricate?

For those Catholics, like myself, who have been in this forum for many years, it is very frustrating to post a thread, ping a Catholic list for discussion, and have non-Catholics post comments or statements that challenge our beliefs. Worse still are those who don't take the time to read through the thread but feel compelled to make a statement or comment, "for what it's worth".

I posted this thread in a sincere attempt to quantify those differences that separate our mutual understandings. I welcome input from Evangelicals, Fundamentalists and other non-Catholic christians, as a means of discussion, not critique. If this topic is of interest to you, then please post a comment, accordingly. We Catholics are all tired of Catholic bashing threads. These are un-christian and serve no purpose whatsoever.

11 posted on 01/03/2010 2:15:17 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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Maybe I’m just uninformed but I didn’t think fundamentalists were so anti-Catholic.

Unfortunately I've learned that it isn't just "fundamentalists." I was quite naive about the extent of animosity towards Catholics and the Church but FR has taught me a lot over the years.

12 posted on 01/03/2010 2:15:39 PM PST by workerbee (My cat would be a better president than the Resident!)
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Well, I’ll tell ya, if you’re going to start off by insinuating first that I didn’t read the thread, then talk down to me by asking if it was too long or too intricate you get nowhere with me. Perhaps a little less condescension might help you.


13 posted on 01/03/2010 2:19:25 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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We Catholics are all tired of Catholic bashing threads.

How about an apology for the mystery fish every Friday for school lunch ?

14 posted on 01/03/2010 2:25:34 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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15 posted on 01/03/2010 2:28:27 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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Catholics believe in Sacraments necessary for salvation, whereas fundamentalist don’t. This is a crucial difference.

It's right there in the above article. :-)

16 posted on 01/03/2010 2:33:03 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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Roman Catholicism is the product of a great deal of late theological development, primarily taking place between the 3rd and 6th centuries, long after the Bible was already completed.

Be careful with that statement. Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin (Roman) Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches.

17 posted on 01/03/2010 2:37:59 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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How about an apology for the mystery fish every Friday for school lunch ?

Most Catholics think that Vatican II did away with the requirement of not eating meat on any Friday of the year. Most think it is now just Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent that we cannot eat meat.

This is what the new Code of Canon Law brought out in 1983 says about the matter:

Canon 1251
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

Canon Law still requires that Catholics not eat meat on Fridays! Mystery fish or otherwise.

18 posted on 01/03/2010 2:47:44 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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Excellent article. Excellent thread! Excellent list of five points!

Whose Bible is it, anyway?
 
Who's in authority here?
 
The need for sacraments?
 
Praying with the saints?
 
What motivates Catholic Marian devotion? 

19 posted on 01/03/2010 2:52:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Thanks for posting this article.

Catholics and Protestants both yearn to be "men under authority," disciples.

Catholics place priority on the Church that created the Bible.

Protestants emphasize the Bible, which defines and creates the Church.

We would agree with G. K. Chesterton, though, whose short story The Broken Sword dealt with the inadequacy of reading the Bible, alone, by ourselves. The villain in the story did so, and found therein things like polygamy and torturing his enemies! Christians need to read together, and compare notes with one another.

20 posted on 01/03/2010 2:53:43 PM PST by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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