Posted on 01/03/2010 6:03:31 AM PST by GonzoII
But why is New Year’s January 1st and why do we call this 2010? The answers are very Catholic and Christian. I would like to elaborate a bit on what Deacon Curtis began a few days ago as we explore the relgious roots of what is perceived by most to be a very secular holiday.
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There were 12 Tribes. Each tribe’s people were named after their Patriarch. If you came from Asher, you were an Asherite, from Levi a Levite, from Judah a Jew. The Apostle Paul was not a Jew. He said “I am a Benjamite” He was not a Jew. The Jews fought against Israel in a Civil War. Read 1Kings 11-17 to catch you up on the History the traditional church doesn’t deal with.
Don’t be ignorant when debating Biblical matters. You owe it to the Father to use facts.
You wrote:
“One of the BIG!!!! areas of confusion that has been perpetuated by tradional Christianity is that everything is JEWISH. It is NOT!!!!”
What is Jewish is Jewish. I never claimed “everything is JEWISH”.
“There were 12 Tribes. Each tribe’s people were named after their Patriarch. If you came from Asher, you were an Asherite, from Levi a Levite, from Judah a Jew. The Apostle Paul was not a Jew. He said “I am a Benjamite” He was not a Jew.”
He was a Jew. He said so: “Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia.” (Acts 21:39 KJV)
I suggest you study scripture more. St. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin. That didn’t stop him from being a Jew - far from it, it necessitated that he be a Jew.
“The Jews fought against Israel in a Civil War. Read 1Kings 11-17 to catch you up on the History the traditional church doesn’t deal with.”
(sigh) Israel split into two competing states (Israel in the North and Judah in the South) more than 800 years before Saul (Paul) was born. By the time Saul/Paul was born, the word ‘Jew’ was used for people who followed what we would call Judaism no matter where they lived in the Roman world. I not only know the history of all of this apparently better than you do, but I also know scripture well enough to know St. Paul called himself a Jew - something you apparently did not know.
“Don’t be ignorant when debating Biblical matters. You owe it to the Father to use facts.”
I did. Here’s a fact: St. Paul called himself a Jew. Deal with it.
I suggest you study more before you continue to embarrass yourself by projecting an apparent lack of knowledge onto others who actually know what they’re talking about.
M’kay?
Here is just one of thousands of exerpts off of web pages when you Google in Easter Ishtar. Have no idea where you are getting your misinformaion from. Cite Sources.
Info below comes from Lew White’s book Fossilized Customs
EASTER EXCERPT FROM THE BOOK FOSSILIZED CUSTOMS — pgs. 12-14
This word has been adopted from Pagans as an attempt to “inculturate” by syncretism a behavior that is absolutely an abomination. If you recognize “Halloween” for what it is, then this will be no different after you learn the truth. Easter was already one of the two biggest celebrations observed by Pagans, long before Christianity came along. It is my belief that when this is exposed, it will fulfill the prophecies of Revelation 18. Go read it now. Babylon is still with us, but it is going to fall. Easter was celebrated by the Assyrians, the Phoenicians, and the Philistines (Goliath no doubt had an Easter basket). You should look up “Easter” in a Webster’s Dictionary, and do further research in other sources! This festival involved the “Rites of Spring” near the Equinox of Venus, when Pagans believed the Earth Mother was impregnated by the sun. They engaged in ritual sex acts, and used symbols of fertility like eggs, rabbits, and “hot cross buns”. The Babylonian symbol for the “female” was, and is, a circle with a crux beneath. The round cakes were baked for the “Queen of Heaven” (Regina Coeli), and “Great Mother” (Magna Mater), with the “cross” symbol indicating the female. The cross also indicated the Equinox, when the Earth’s orbit “crossed” the celestial equator. Hold on now, because everything will be just fine. This must sound so wild you may think I’m a heretic; but by the end of this you will be very glad to have acquired the truth. This book will only shatter myths, not the “rock” of truth.
This type of “reasoning” is exactly why the House of Israel was judged and scattered, never to be a nation again until her punishment was completed. Read Hosea he will tell you what happened all because Israel MIXED with the pagans and their worship practices. And here we are today with your kind of “reasoning”. Brought judgement before and sure is going to bring judgement again.
Wish you would use the Bible and scripture for your “reasonings” and not man’s ideas. See why I said “man made” religion. Just give me good old Biblical, scriptural religion anyday. Oops! can’t make any money off of it. No wonder there is not to many that go to the church of Bible only.
Not it isn't. Easter is the Christian celebration of the Resurrection of Christ...and thus clearly not pagan.
He never said CHRISTMAS, which is the pagan holyday to worship Mithra, the Sun god.
No it's not. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ....again, decidedly not a pagan holiday.
Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
Petronski,
You wrote:
“Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?”
I have no idea if she believes in the Trinity, but she doesn’t believe in the Bible. In the Bible, St. Paul said he was a Jew. ladyL doesn’t believe Paul was a Jew even though he said he was. Thus, ladyL doesn’t believe God’s Word.
ladyL
I think my post did integrate the Scriptures with how the early Church Fathers and theologians interpreted those scriptures. And you can have whatever you want with respect to your “good old Biblical scriptural religion” it is just I don’t accept your “personal infallible interpretation”.
tsk, tsk
“Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia.” (Acts 21:39 KJV)
Have you looked at that verse yet ladyL? You do have a Bible, right?
You wrote:
“Info below comes from Lew White’s book Fossilized Customs”
After examining Lew White’s viciously stupid anti-Catholic website, I can only conclude he’s a moron.
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/excerpt.htm
I wonder if he knows St. Paul was a Jew.
(Phil 3:5 KJV) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
If you knew the Bible you would know that each tribesman was called by their tribe's name. Paul was a Benjamite. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses were NOT JEWS!!!! Keep digging but dig a little deeper. The Truth is calling you'll find it.
Vladimir, you have exhibited name calling and arrogance throughout our exchange. God hates the haughty and proud.
I would hope you come under conviction for your arrogancy. It will not bode well for you. To keep you from abusing yourself anymore than you have I must cease any further communication with you. May Yahweh help you through this time.
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Good history of the date!
Facts always help - except in the case of those too blind to see them. Sometimes there’s not much one can do to help these people, but it’s good to try in any case.
St. Paul was a Jew:
Others recognized him as Jewish (Acts 16:20): “And they brought them to the judges and said, “These men are Jews. They are throwing our city into confusion.”
And he said it himself:
Galatians 2:15, “We are Jews by birth, and not sinners from among the Gentiles”
Acts 21:39: “Paul answered, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city.”
Yet, despite the truth, you write, “If you knew the Bible you would know that each tribesman was called by their tribe’s name. Paul was a Benjamite. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses were NOT JEWS!!!!”
I know full well what tribe Paul was from. And he was still a Jew. He called himself a Jew.
Now, on to your other post:
“Vladimir, you have exhibited name calling and arrogance throughout our exchange.”
Really? Only me?
In post #12 you wrote: “Uhmmm, hold on to your ignorance or become enlightened? What a choice.”
In post #21 you wrote: “Don’t be ignorant when debating Biblical matters. You owe it to the Father to use facts.”
So, it seems to me I only gave you what you gave me. Does your own medicine bother you, ladyL?
And you wrote:
“God hates the haughty and proud.”
Read over your own comments and tell me who is haughty and proud.
“I would hope you come under conviction for your arrogancy.”
Would you recognize your own?
“It will not bode well for you. To keep you from abusing yourself anymore than you have I must cease any further communication with you.”
LOL! In other words, you can’t deal with the fact that you didn’t know the Bible well enough to know that St. Paul called himself a Jew, right? Run away, ladyL, run away! Just ignore Acts 21 like it didn’t exist.
“May Yahweh help you through this time.”
He already did. That’s why I know about Acts 21:39. Did He help you to deal with that verse yet?
Of course Paul was a Jew.
“Easter was already one of the two biggest celebrations observed by Pagans, long before Christianity came along.”
Oh, for corn’s sake. How strange is it that human beings should have festivals in the spring, when things begin to turn green and the weather is friendly?
It doesn’t really matter when we commemorate the Resurrection, so long as we do.
As far as formally RECOGNIZING (and recognizing is very different than CREATING) the books we know as the New Testament, in the 3rd and 4th Century, yes Rome had a large part--but, the Orthodox (making up 4/5 of the Church then) were also the major part of the Church universal at that time--and the Bishop of Rome was not recognized as the supreme head of all the Church either.
It's the worst kind of revisionist history to claim the Roman Catholic Church created the Bible. It's analogous to saying the Supreme Court "created" the U.S. Constitution--when they are only supposed to recognize, and uphold it.
You wrote:
“Last I checked, 2/3 of the Bible (the Old Testament) was written by Jews before Christ, and the other 1/3 by the Apostles after Christ—NONE of which are the organization of the Roman Catholic Church.”
Actually Christ founded the Catholic Church. All the Apostles were bishops in it and served Christ through it.
“Leadership of the Church universal was NOT based in Rome when the New Testament was authored, rather in Jerusalem (check Acts 15, that’s in the New Testament).”
Irrelevant. It doesn’t matter where the leadership was. The leader, St. Peter, settled eventually in Rome - as even many Protestant scholars agree.
“You might also note there, that James, not Peter, was the leading Apostle at that time (about AD 50).”
No, he was not. I realize that most Protestants understand scripture too poorly to actually understand what is said in Acts 15.
“As far as formally RECOGNIZING (and recognizing is very different than CREATING) the books we know as the New Testament, in the 3rd and 4th Century, yes Rome had a large part—but, the Orthodox (making up 4/5 of the Church then) were also the major part of the Church universal at that time—and the Bishop of Rome was not recognized as the supreme head of all the Church either.”
Actually he was. There was no “Orthodox Church” or “Orthodox Churches” as if they were separate from the Catholic Church. Not even the Orthodox claim that.
“It’s the worst kind of revisionist history to claim the Roman Catholic Church created the Bible.”
Catholics wrote the New Testament - under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Catholics decided - with the guidance of the Holy Spirit - what books belonged in the canon. That’s not revisionism. That’s just history. No other church can make these claims. And no Protestant sect would be in its existence for many centuries yet.
“It’s analogous to saying the Supreme Court “created” the U.S. Constitution—when they are only supposed to recognize, and uphold it.”
No, it is not analogous to it. The Holy Spirit inspired Catholic writers of the New Testament. The Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church to decide on the canon. The Supreme Court did not write the Constitution but Catholics did write the New Testament. The Supreme Court did not decide what was part of the original constitution, but the Catholic Church did decide the canon.
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