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The enemy revealed (why Christianity is losing the younger generation—and what to do about it)
CMI ^ | September 24, 2009 | Calvin Smith

Posted on 09/24/2009 8:37:40 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

We are losing our children! Research indicates that 70% of teens who are involved in a church youth group will stop attending church … [1]

Similar statements from Christian leaders aren’t new, but many still can’t seem to identify the root cause of the problem. However, most front-line evangelists in the Western world have reached a consensus. The following quote is from a person who shares his faith more times in a month than most Christians ever will in their lives...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Eastern Religions; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; creaation; creation; embarrasschristians; evolution; forrestisstoopid; generationy; intelligentdesign; knuckledraggers; moralabsolutes; ragingyechardon; science; sin; slopingforeheads; unchurched
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To: tpanther; Buck W.
How do you determine what is or isn’t allegory?

Rather hypocritical of evos to reject creationists determination of what is and isn't allegory and then demand that creationists accept theirs.

Because God clearly stated that He created man from the dust of the earth, not another already living creature. Otherwise, breathing into his nostrils the breath of life, would be redundant. At that point, God could have just said that He imparted a soul, or some such think.

Clearly the man He created wasn't alive until God made him alive, thus ruling out another living creature.

181 posted on 09/26/2009 5:25:06 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther; Buck W.
How many times will you require explanation that Chrisianity is greater than it's denominations Buck?

Innumerable. It's falling on deaf ears.

Apparently some people can't distinguish between churchianity and Christianity.

Christians make the Church. The Church doesn't make one a Christian.

182 posted on 09/26/2009 5:28:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Diapason

Absolutely clueless. (not you)


183 posted on 09/26/2009 5:32:14 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Marysecretary; Reddy
I never heard of Ken Ham and I bet most people haven’t either, LOL.

I never did until I got on the FR creation debates. I'd guess most of the people I've ever met haven't either.

It's funny how evos blame creationists for making themselves look bad, when evos are the ones telling everyone that creationists are *anti-science*, *anti-intellectual*, *Luddites*, islamists, want to send us back to the Dark Ages, etc.

And just who is making who look bad? Creationists aren't spreading the rumors like that about themselves.

Heck, on a thread just recently, some evo claimed that creationists advocate stoning anyone who doesn't believe in a 6 day creation.

So they start these lies, pass them around as fact, and then say that some guy no one hardly ever heard of is what's turning people away from Christianity.

184 posted on 09/26/2009 5:40:01 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; Marysecretary; tpanther; Fichori
The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church on earth. You cannot state with certainty that he is a Christian?

Exactly right.

Being the head of a denomination is no guarantee of salvation.

FWIW, Catholics are the only ones who recognize the papacy and consider that the position of the pope is authorized by Scripture. Just because they do it does not mean it's fact, does not mean that everyone else is obligated to agree with them and recognize it, too.

If Catholics want to consider that Jesus established the papacy and gave Peter the authority to continue the position, that's their business. But don't expect non-Catholics to acknowledge it or his authority. He's the Catholic's pope, not all Christian's pope.

185 posted on 09/26/2009 5:46:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.
U-2012>Clearly I did not make myself clear enough for your understanding.

Ah, but you did. My comment stands.

May you one day seek and find the creator of the universe: YHvH.

May you one day seek His Salvation: Yah'shua

All of this can be found in His Holy Word.

Call on the NAME of YHvH's Salvation.

When you have found Him
and repent of your sins
you will be given His Shalom.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
186 posted on 09/26/2009 7:10:07 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“May you one day seek and find the creator of the universe: YHvH.”

Your assumption that I have not is a clear demonstration hubris derived from uncertainty of faith.


188 posted on 09/26/2009 9:39:04 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom; Marysecretary; tpanther; Fichori

“He’s the Catholic’s pope, not all Christian’s pope.”

To the Catholics, that’s your loss. What if they’re right? Perhaps you’d better start at least intimating that they may be Christian!


189 posted on 09/26/2009 9:41:22 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom

When one refers to a passage as allegory as I have with regard to Genesis, it is a most ineffective rebuttal for you to then quote a subject passage as evidence of its literal truth!

You do understand that, don’t you?


190 posted on 09/26/2009 9:45:05 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


191 posted on 09/26/2009 9:52:22 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Buck W.
U-2012>May you one day seek and find the creator of the universe: YHvH.

Your assumption that I have not is a clear demonstration hubris derived from uncertainty of faith.

I pray for your salvation
and you accuse me in an
un-parseable sentence
of excessive pride.

Mazol Tov !

May you enjoy your journey on the wide road of life.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
193 posted on 09/26/2009 10:16:10 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

My sentence wasn’t un-parseable, but all the best to you as well. BTW, I have visited numerous sites in Israel, including Masada, Caesarea, the Dead Sea, Galilee area (Lake Kinneret), etc.


194 posted on 09/26/2009 10:26:52 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.; UriÂ’el-2012; Marysecretary; wmfights; metmom; Fichori

As a side note, not only will Buck W. not confess Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, but he also refuses to identify himself as a Catholic, even though he spends nearly all of his time trying to turn these threads into Catholic-Protestant flame wars.

—Matthew 7:15


195 posted on 09/26/2009 10:39:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; UriÂ’el-2012; Marysecretary; wmfights; metmom
“—Matthew 7:15” [excerpt]
Acts chapter 17, verses 5 and 13 also comes to mind.
196 posted on 09/26/2009 10:51:03 AM PDT by Fichori ('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
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To: GodGunsGuts; UriÂ’el-2012; Marysecretary; wmfights; metmom; Fichori

I have identified myself as a Christian on numerous occasions; GGG is therefore plumbing the dark depths of ethical inadequacy once again (as is his custom). To prevent a flame war, all he needs to do is answer the question with a yes/no response: Are Catholics Christians? If that’s too difficult, he can substitute Episcopalians for Catholics.


197 posted on 09/26/2009 10:54:05 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.; tpanther
Are Catholics who faithfully follow Catholic doctrine, teachings, and sacraments for their entire lives Christians?

This question is open to all. It’s a yes/no question.

No, it is not a simple yes or no. You have created a false dichotomy. But in partial answer to your question ...

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

198 posted on 09/26/2009 10:58:53 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC

“No, it is not a simple yes or no. “

Funny, but a majority, no, a supermajority of Christians disagrees with you.


199 posted on 09/26/2009 11:00:17 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts; UriÂ’el-2012; Marysecretary; wmfights; metmom; Fichori
Are Catholics Christians? If that’s too difficult, he can substitute Episcopalians for Catholics.

Same answer.

200 posted on 09/26/2009 11:01:15 AM PDT by AndrewC
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