Posted on 09/16/2009 4:17:40 PM PDT by NYer
The Washington Post the other day posted a lengthy interview with Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Catholic. A pertinent excerpt:
MS. ROMANO: You are also a pro-choice Catholic, and I was reading some stories out of your home state recently where one of the bishops took an action. Can you tell us a little bit about that?There's more, and video, at the link.
SECRETARY SEBELIUS: Well, the Archbishop in the Kansas City area did not approve of my conduct as a public official and asked that I not present myself for communion.
MS. ROMANO: What did you think about that?
SECRETARY SEBELIUS: Well, it was one of the most painful things I have ever experienced in my life, and I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state, and I feel that my actions as a parishioner are different than my actions as a public official and that the people who elected me in Kansas had a right to expect me to uphold their rights and their beliefs even if they did not have the same religious beliefs that I had. And that's what I did: I took an oath of office and I have taken an oath of office in this job and will uphold the law.
MS. ROMANO: Do you continue to take communion?
SECRETARY SEBELIUS: I really would prefer not to discuss with you. That's really a personal--thank you.
If she thinks the sit down with the bishop was painful, imagine the anguish of a Particular Judgement. I wouldn’t want to be trying to justify the blood of unborn innocents upon my death.
You mean like the folks that are “saved” on Sunday and do what they please Monday to Saturday. You have faker-foolers in all branches of Christianity.
First of all, it's not a matter of "being Catholic," it's being baptized. If you're baptized validly, you've been made a member of the Body even as a heretic.
Second of all, we don't go in for any of this nonsense that people are ensured salvation at some point when they become a member of the Body. As Christ said, the tares grow with the wheat in the Kingdom of Heaven--and no man can tell them apart until the former are brought out to be burned.
MS. ROMANO: You are also a pro-choice Catholic, and I was reading some stories out of your home state recently where one of the bishops took an action. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
SECRETARY SEBELIUS: Well, the Archbishop in the Kansas City area did not approve of my conduct as a public official and asked that I not present myself for communion.
This isn't true, She all but admits being pro-abortion, and the Archbishop should make it clear that her belief bars her from Communion.
From this source:
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius should stop taking Communion until she repudiates her support for the “serious moral evil” of abortion, the Catholic archbishop for northeast Kansas says.
It has nothing to do with her actions, it is her personal belief she must repudiate.
No, I didn’t. I saw a picture. Both of them belong in a home, LOL.
Isn’t there an oath attached to confirmation, too?
Kathleen - I’m not really a Catholic - Sebelius conveniently has no memory of that fact, it appears.
We all need Jesus. They seem to want to avoid Him. He doesn’t fit in with their plans.
Her oath to the State supercedes her oath to God. That says it all.
What's so staggering about it? Do you not study Christian history?
You just have a classically Protestant nonsacramental view of Baptism. To you the Sacrament is meaningless...just some water and words. To us, it's a true Sacrament which brings about what it symbolizes: we are born again of water AND the Spirit. Remember circuitry logic? AND. Not OR, not NOR, not NAND, but AND.
What we truly believe will dictate our actions. Maybe that is what you are saying, but by saying "it has nothing to do with her actions" it sounds like you are saying that verbal confession is sufficient to repudiate. I disagree, true repentance requires a recognisable change in one's actions.
All Christians are baptized. I understand some sects claim that isn't true. All baptized people are part of the Body of Christ. All from the Church perspective are part of the flock even if they refuse to recognize that fact.
Christians in union with Rome, are Catholics. There are Catholics that are not in union with Rome, and they are called various names, but are excluded from Communion.
Only Catholics who are in good standing with the Church, following the requirements, may take Communion, all others are denied this privilege.
This is not difficult, if you are baptized you are part of Christs flock. The Church considers you one of its own from that point forward.
Its also why its a sure indicator that people are being stupid by saying "Catholic Christian". its like saying I am a "Human Mammal"
As Christ said, the tares grow with the wheat in the Kingdom of Heaven--and no man can tell them apart until the former are brought out to be burned.
Problem is, the tares get baptized right along with the wheat...
I guess what you are saying is that once you get baptized, you automatically turn into wheat...But then we're getting down to the brass tacks...Everyone who can make the claim of being Catholic has been baptized...Therefore, there are no tares mixed in with the Catholic wheat...There could be no tares in your Catholic church...And of course that's not true...AND, you just shot to pieces the scripture you use to show there are tares and wheat in your Catholic church...
You have to really mangle the scripture to come to your conclusion...
I'll continue an another post...
The story of the Obama Maladministration. That is absolutely and utterly shameful.
"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." - Rev. 3:16
Really??? Even if you never repented??? Even if you have never ask Jesus to be your Savior??? Even if you don't really believe Jesus is the 'real' Son of God??? Just as long as you got baptized???
Even if you got baptized because the rest of your family or friends got baptized???
I got Good News for ya...That may very well get you into the Catholic Church but it WILL NOT get you into the Body of Jesus Christ...
You have been deceived...But there is a way to get there...And it's very simple...
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That's not what the verse says...
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
It does NOT say born AGAIN of water...It says 'born of water'...
I mistyped. My apologies. But how does that help your argument any? What possible meaning of “born” is there, if not spiritually born?
No, that's the exact OPPOSITE of what I'm saying. The baptized are the SEEDS, not the wheat: i.e. everyone who is in the Kingdom of Heaven (which is the Church on earth--NOT heaven.) If someone isn't baptized they wouldn't be in the garden at all, capisce?
Now, among the seeds in the garden, some are wheat, and some are tares, and the latter are taken away to be burnt--which includes many, many people *who were baptized*.
There are millions and millions of baptized Catholics who are now and will be in hell. Baptism gets you in the door, but it doesn't guarantee you will make it to the end.
Precisely. And even then, you can still be damned. Dante littered Hell with Catholics--bishops and Popes even.
No that isn't what I say. You guess wrong. We have excellent examples of Baptized men who become notorious.
What I said was the Church considers all baptized people Christians, and therefore part of the Church. Just because you are a Christian, or part of the Church doesn't mean you are going to Heaven.
This is woefully off topic. Let me bring it back on topic.
Sebilius is a Baptized Catholic, and an advocate of will full murder of innocents. I am sorry she finds it painful that being told she may not participate in the Sacrament that is reserved for Catholics who are United with Christ and his Church.
I assure you, it is far more painful to be murdered and removed from your mothers womb by medical violence.
If it is so painful, she should change repent, publicly announce the fact, and change her actions. I pray she does so and is reunited with the Church.
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