[Scythian]

First of all, it's not a matter of "being Catholic," it's being baptized. If you're baptized validly, you've been made a member of the Body even as a heretic.

Wow, that is staggering, honestly ... I couldn't disagree more ...

[Claud]

Wow, that is staggering, honestly ... I couldn't disagree more ...

What's so staggering about it? Do you not study Christian history?

You just have a classically Protestant nonsacramental view of Baptism. To you the Sacrament is meaningless...just some water and words. To us, it's a true Sacrament which brings about what it symbolizes: we are born again of water AND the Spirit. Remember circuitry logic? AND. Not OR, not NOR, not NAND, but AND.