Posted on 06/17/2009 8:13:42 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Recent creation refers to the biblical view of creation and earth history known as young-age creationism. The recent creation point of view accepts the historicity, authority, and inerrancy of the Bible. Recent creation also accepts the historical narratives of the Bible as describing real historical events and real people.
Many Christians have little interest in the controversy about the age of the earth. Some believers will say, “What matters to me is the Rock of Ages, not the ages of rocks.” This innocent sounding statement inadvertently opens the door to undermining the authority of Scripture. This statement about the “Rock of Ages” sounds reasonable in a sense because Christians would agree that the person and work of Jesus Christ is central in the Christian life. But accepting the scriptural time scale is an important part of the foundation of the Christian worldview—and the gospel...
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Cue the creation rationalization chorus!
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Cue the “I’m-a-Christian-but-I-deny-Creation” chorus, too.
Cue the “I’m-a-Christian-but-I-don’t-believe-the-Bible-is-true- or-accurate” chorus, too.
Note that history is dated from when Adam first spoke, on the Sixth Day of Creation.
Some christians still believe this in spite of all the contrary evidence in NT textual criticism?
Creationism is like Tongues. It may well be part of the rich tapestry of God's wisdom. The kind of faith require to believe it as fact may well be a blessing of great power. However, if you let either one become the hallmark and lynch-pin of your salvation to the point it eclipses the redemption of Jesus Christ upon the cross, then you are not doing any work for His Kingdom and should look to the Cross. I am a "God may have taken a million years to make man" Christian, as opposed to an evolutionist. I think God can work any way God wants to, and I think that Genesis may be the telling of God's truth about the fundamental flawed nature of man, that we will often choose the easy evil over the hard good. If I am wrong, God will straighten me out in the first five minutes of the Hereafter, if that even matters then. My wife is a staunch "six-day" believer, but doesn't beat anyone up with it.
I have a good Christian sister whose only tool in the tool box is the hammer of Creationism. If you do not believe as she does, be prepared to be pounded over the head with literal Genesis over and over again. I hava another good friend who is a scientific humanist, and an FBI agent, who only believe what he sees with his eyes.
If I go to my FBI friend (as I do sometimes) and mention that "You know, we are all flawed individuals who by our bad choices walk away from the One who created us to live connected to him. Our shortcomings can be made clean by the gift of love that Christ made for us. You can live a life knowing you are part of God's family" then I may win him over to Christ. He may grow to see God's love. However, if I introduce him to my Christian sister, she would beat him over the head with Creation until he decided that Christians are mind-numbed idiots who don't believe in science and probably don't think Gravity exists. His soul would be lost because a well-meaning Christian put her own pet project ahead of the loving Grace of Jesus Christ.
So, in the thousands of posts that follow, here is my only suggestion...spend the effort on telling your friends that Jesus died for them and provides parachute to our frail human lives through His love. If we spent less time attacking eacho other over exactly HOW God put us here, we would have more time to reach out to the ones God calls us to witness to.
Most of us, when fishing for men, wouldn't think of leading off with ...unless you accept the free gift of Jesus Christ."
Technically, it is correct, but it is not prone to actually produce many longterm results (although it may gain you a ten-minute "fear conversion".) Please, concentrate on the unity of Jesus that makes all we poor sinners brothers, not a single pet issue of your own which will drive away otherwise intelligent lost ones from Him. Do you really want, on that day in the Hereafter, Jesus to pull you aside and say "Let's see how many souls you lost for Me?"
If you can’t believe the Bible about the Earth not moving and the Sun circling it, how can you believe the Bible about anything else?
You can believe the Bible about the earth not moving.
“Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for all CS [coordinate systems], not only those moving uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily, relative to each other? […] The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS.”
Einstein, A. and Infeld, L. (1938) The Evolution of Physics, p.212 (p.248 in original 1938 ed.); Note: CS = coordinate system
“The relation of the two pictures [geocentricity and heliocentricity] is reduced to a mere coordinate transformation and it is the main tenet of the Einstein theory that any two ways of looking at the world which are related to each other by a coordinate transformation are entirely equivalent from a physical point of view.... Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.”
Hoyle, Fred. Nicolaus Copernicus. London: Heinemann Educational Books Ltd., 1973.
"...Thus we may return to Ptolemy's point of view of a 'motionless earth'...One has to show that the transformed metric can be regarded as produced according to Einstein's field equations, by distant rotating masses. This has been done by Thirring. He calculated a field due to a rotating, hollow, thick-walled sphere and proved that inside the cavity it behaved as though there were centrifugal and other inertial forces usually attributed to absolute space. Thus from Einstein's point of view, Ptolemy and Copernicus are equally right."
Born, Max. "Einstein's Theory of Relativity",Dover Publications,1962, pgs 344 & 345:
"People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” Ellis argues. “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations.” Ellis has published a paper on this. “You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”
Ellis, George, in Scientific American, "Thinking Globally, Acting Universally", October 1995
You don’t think the Earth revolves around its axis?
The Earth does move.
Gravity also moves the Earth around the Sun.
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All of which again beggers the questions...how many scientific souls will you lose for Jesus?
Are you suggesting that anyone who doesn’t embrace the immobility of the Earth rejects the Bible to a similar extent than those who acknowledge that living systems evolve?
That if one rejects the notion that the Earth is immobile that they have thrown out the rest of the Bible as well?
By that analysis, any point in the universe can be selected as the fixed point. There is nothing at all special about the earth. Besides, all you’re doing is changing the coordinate system It doesn’t matter what point you choose to call the origin; it’s all moving.
You cannot distinguish between the earth revolving and the universe being at rest and the universe revolving and the earth being at rest. You cannot prove that the earth does move. It is your belief that it does.
"Gravity also moves the Earth around the Sun."
As Einstein, Infeld, Hoyle, Born and Ellis explain, there is no evidence that the earth moves. It is your belief that it does.
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