Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part II

CatholicExchange.com ^ | May 22nd, 2009 | Christopher West

[Salvation]

I forgot to post Part II back in May.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Please back your claims of Mary with biblical authority and then maybe I’ll listen. You have another Mary. Not the one from Holy Scripture.

[Salvation]

For your information:

Christopher West's Theology of the Body Webiste

Books, tapes, CDs, DVDs, etc.

From book by the same name by Pope John Paul II.

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[Salvation]

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[Salvation]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2270059/posts?page=5#5

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Again, give me Holy Scripture..not writings a about what people think. There is very few my friend. I was raised Catholic and prayed to Mary my whole life. But as I started reading God's Holy Word I saw that I was deceived by my Catholic traditions.

I'm not trying to start a fight with you... but just challenging you to think it out. God's Word my friend is the final authority..not me. I place my trust in God's Word not traditions.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (St. John 16:12,13)

May you ask Almighty God with your whole heart to show you if these things are true or not.

[Salvation]

Purity and chasity in imitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Luke

[Salvation]

You are always welcome to return to the Catholic Church. You only need to sit down and talk with a priest about your questions about men.

[Salvation]

**I was deceived by my Catholic traditions.**

You are not deceived. Read Luke. Chapter 2 too.

[Salvation]

Theology of the Body ping, please.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

My friend, I have read it and believe it!

You read it. Read it in the greek..low estate.. the greek is more powerful. it means vile estate...I rejoice in my God my Savior... (she needed as Savior..thus she was a sinner like you and me. Those passages destroy the Catholic position and traditions that they have about a non Biblical Mary.

You must choose what authority to believe tradfition and fables or Holy Scripture authority. I have made my desinion.

[Salvation]

She is rejoicing not asking for mercy.

[Salvation]

Because I do not know Greek I can not verify or clarify your statements, InIg, so I am calling someone who can find the Greek for me.

Here is the English and the Latin:

Canticle of Mary

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Scripture text: Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition

 

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

[Salvation]

Sorry I got your name wrong in that post. I meant to type IgFi

[Salvation]

Additional information for you to check out on the Magnificat. It is a Song of Praise.

The Prayer of the Virgin Mary, The Magnificat - The Canticle of Mary
MARY SINGS THE PRAISES OF GOD’S MERCY [Magnificat, Canticle of Mary]
The Magnificat: Mary’s Own Prayer
Prayer and Meditation: Magnificat anima mea Dominum
Story of the Little Prayer Book That Could (George Weigel on the Magnificat [magazine])

[Salvation]

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Can anyone help me out here with the Greek?

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=1&verse=48

gives the Greek word and definition above English translation.

[Salvation]

Since you are not discussing the Theology of the Body and the purity and chastity urged by our Blessed Mother, perhaps it would be better for you to leave the thread.

Good night.

[wombtotomb]

Thanks for the ping.

For communism to prevail, atheism must succeed. We cannot have 2 masters. Attacking marriage is the fastest, most efficient way to do this. One cannot help but marvel at the representation of Gods love and existence when contemplating marriage and family. The two becoming one, the one becoming 3. Participation in the miracle of life. Life is what they despise, they embrace death and hatred.

We have come far down that slippery slope. Divorce, contraception, abortion, pornography, living together, homosexual and pedophilia behaviors, the list is endless. The governmental socialistic policies are only the result of the complete and total demise of the family in this country,not the cause of it. It is a symptom of the disease we suffer from. We now care for the broken families left in the aftermath of the successful destruction of the family unit.

There is no other way to repair all of this until we strengthen once again, the family through promotion of the sacrament of marriage, the sanctity of life, and the value of and necessity of the family unit to society.

As to Mary, she too needed a savior, and she had one, Jesus. If God can do anything and is everything, then He is the eternal present. There is no past or future to Him who created time. To limit God to our own understanding is to minimize Him. God allowed Mary’s yes to apply to her soul before she was born to allow her to be the holy ark in which to carry the new covenant, Jesus Christ. Since he could not dwell in sin, he who knew no sin, she was preserved FROM sin, which is why she spoke of her savior. God being in the eternal present already had her yes before all time began. To know that Mary was preserved from sin, being the one human in all time to already be in a state that God had originally intended for us but was broken through Adam, does not put her in the Godhead, but a hopeful representation of our final condition. There is nothing wrong with asking for Mary’s intercession, as the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Her one command in scripture was to “do whatever He tells you”, always deflecting all to her Son. She was given to the apostle whom Jesus loved at the foot of the cross, as any faithful Jewish son would have concerns for his mother. If we are all truly brothers and sisters of Christ, in a REAL true and absolute sense, wouldn’t that make her really and truly our mother as well? I know you see all these things, but I felt the need to speak them on this thread.

God bless you!