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Old-Earth Creationism
ICR ^ | March 2009 | Old-Earth Creationism by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/25/2009 9:09:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Old-Earth Creationism

by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Many evangelical leaders today, unfortunately, have capitulated to the evolutionary timescale of modern unbelieving geologists and astronomers. They feel that they must somehow reinterpret the Genesis record of creation to allow for billions of prehistoric years, which the evolutionists must have in order to make cosmic evolution and biological evolution seem feasible. This compromise is necessary, they say, in order to win scientists and other intellectuals to the Lord...

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: creation; creativeevolution; darwin; darwinianevolution; dayage; evolution; gaptheory; hughross; humor; idfollies; intelligentdesign; multiplecreation; pantheisticevolution; processcreation; progressivecreati; progressivecreation; punctuational; theisticevolution; yecmoronswithphds
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To: GodGunsGuts
According to evolutionary meteorology, Noah's flood is impossible.

According to meteorlogy, period, the water cycle makes Noah's flood impossible. According to geology, period, the world is millions of years older than what you claim. Neither of those require Darwin or his theories for support.

When you look at the same data from a Creation Science perspective

Creation science is a contradiction in terms.

161 posted on 03/26/2009 10:47:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 1forall; guitarplayer1953
Bottom line is this: if the "break" or any other time-adding theory takes away from the fact that Adam's sin originated death (as described in Romans 5), there is no consequence for sin (if death was already taking place), no need for a Savior to remove the punishment for sins and the Gospel of Jesus, in fact the entire Bible, is reduced to a "feel good" story.

I realize that Romans 5 puts the blame on Adam. How is it that the Genesis account seem to intimate that both Satan and Eve sinned before Adam?

"The thought of a ruined condition of the earth succeeding its original creation...is required by the typical view" (F. W. Grant).

162 posted on 03/26/2009 10:50:35 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

On another thread, you mention you believe in the de-evolution of “kinds” to the species seen today.

For you to believe in DE-evolution, evolution must exist.
Therefore you believe in evolution!


163 posted on 03/26/2009 10:51:10 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Non-Sequitur
But all those other branches of science have at their core scientific theories that conflict with Biblical teachings. According to meteorology, Noah's flood is impossible. According to geology the world is millions of years old. Zoology can trace an evolutionary trail for hundreds of different species. According to Astronomy the earth revolves around the sun. Virtually all of science conflicts with the Bible in some way or another. Yet you target only one branch of it. Curious.

Who says we "target" only one branch? All these fields of science are so overrun with evolutionism that I fear there's no recourse other than to toss their so-called "progress" (since Darwin's theory choked them with its iron grip) into the round file and start back over.

All these "science" papers today are rife with past assumptions that they just assume are true. If it can't be tested starting from basic first principles, then you can't rely on it as being true, and you're just waving smoke and mirrors.

Science needs to return to first principles and make some real progress. The Creator inspired the first great scientists (Newton, Pasteur, Faraday, etc.), and now science has turned its back on the Creator.

164 posted on 03/26/2009 10:56:03 AM PDT by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
“I'm glad you agree that creationism is not falsifiable.”
I guess you could say that Darwinian Evolution is a form of creationism.


All the same, you asserted that Evolution was falsifiable, however, you have yet to explain how how that is possible when it is untestable.

Do the r. rattus domesticus don the life preservers already?
165 posted on 03/26/2009 10:57:24 AM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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To: Non-Sequitur
==Neither of those require Darwin or his theories for support.

Evolution is not limited to Darwin. It's a nature worshiping religious movement that seeks to interpret every aspect of reality in terms of material causes. As such, everything is couched in the language of, and interpreted as the result of, materialistic evolution.

==According to meteorlogy, period, the water cycle makes Noah's flood impossible.

You obviously know little to nothing about Creation Meteorology. Meteorology that is tainted with the ideas of the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism is not meteorology, it is evolutionary meteorology.

==According to geology, period, the world is millions of years older than what you claim.

Again, you obviously know little to nothing about Creation Geology. Geology that is tainted with the ideas of the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism is not Geology, it is evolutionary geology.

==Creation science is a contradiction in terms.

Only to a fanatical disciple of the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism. However, as God well knows, evolution science is a contradiction in terms. And those who deliberately try to steal credit from God's creation and give it to Darwood's brain-dead natural selection god will have a lot to answer for come judgment day.

Romans 1:20-26

166 posted on 03/26/2009 11:06:03 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Again , please provide details that are proveable.


167 posted on 03/26/2009 11:09:31 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: ElectricStrawberry
"This doesn't make sense to me...."

I said it wrong originally and corrected it in 122. The ice age was the aftermath of the flood. There is not enough ice to flood the entire earth. However, there is plenty of water to cover the earth if the topography was different prior to or changed during the time of the flood.

I used "They" because this thread was about ICR's article and their positions. I don't know if I agree with everything ICR has ever said, but I am a young earth creationist. I think man's knowledge is still so limited, that even the things we think we know from scientific observation may be completely wrong as our knowledge increases, no matter how logical it may seem now.

I think ICR has actually done a good job of looking for the evidence of a young earth, as well as challenging the observations and the interpretations that are leading to a conclusion of an old Earth.

"If you start with the conclusion that there is a Design was evolution......then ANYTHING complex or not understood at that time can be deemed "part of the Design the result of evolution

It's not that your comment is wrong, it's just a shoe that fits every world view.

....and the GWT is bunk, generated by politicians and massive wads of research $$$$ to lefty researchers. Anyone in ANY scientific field can look at the raw data and laugh.

I agree, but there are a lot of lefty researchers who aren't laughing. And I often laugh at the conclusions of evolutionists, but they don't laugh with me either.

168 posted on 03/26/2009 11:19:35 AM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So we add to the science curriculum a couple of new courses — Creation Meteorology and Creation Geology? Care to provide an outline of what will be taught in these classes?

And these will be followed, I suppose, by Creation Physics, Creation Chemistry, Creation Math, and Creation Phys-Ed. And the students from this Creation School will, of course, graduate to jobs in the exciting field of Creation Fast Food.


169 posted on 03/26/2009 11:20:29 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: Islander7; editor-surveyor
Oh, by the way, where did you study medicine?

LOL! As if an education from the brain dead Big Pharm-poisoned, evolutionism-infected institutions that pass for "medical schools" these days would somehow lend him more credence. Those places push for invasive surgery and body-damaging pills/vaccines as a cure/preventative for every ailment, because their practitioners are just plain too lazy and/or greedy to look for the actual (usually natura, God-given) cures our bodies need.

From what I've seen, editor-surveyor puts in extensive work to find more reliable information than that in the posts he makes regarding this subject!

170 posted on 03/26/2009 11:21:14 AM PDT by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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To: editor-surveyor
This is obviously just a protection mechanism that God placed in a necessary organism (bacteria, including pathogenic species, consume waste, and thus are necessary for the survival of all life).

The word obviously is not used in science. You have to back up your hypothesis with previously proven facts. I hope you never file a patent for anything. It will be dead in the water.When I worked in a biotech company, the first thing the legal VP told us, after not to gab about company secrets, was to never use the word obviously. If something is obvious , it is known to all and cannot be patented.

171 posted on 03/26/2009 11:23:02 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts
You obviously know little to nothing about Creation Meteorology. Meteorology that is tainted with the ideas of the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism is not meteorology, it is evolutionary meteorology.

Obviously not. Why not enlighten me? How does the Biblical water cycle differ from the scientific one?

172 posted on 03/26/2009 11:24:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: WondrousCreation

GED?

You must believe in faith healers then.


173 posted on 03/26/2009 11:26:18 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka
When I worked in a biotech company

Wow, are you smart ever! D'you has a PhD or sumpin'?

174 posted on 03/26/2009 11:26:45 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Non-Sequitur

You go first.

How did the Flood happen?


175 posted on 03/26/2009 11:28:08 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

Do some reading. I answered it earlier in this thread and also on others.


176 posted on 03/26/2009 11:29:34 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Fichori
All the same, you asserted that Evolution was falsifiable

Yes I did. You disagree?

177 posted on 03/26/2009 11:50:44 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
“Yes I did. You disagree?”
If testability is a prerequisite to falsifiability, then yes.
178 posted on 03/26/2009 11:55:26 AM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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To: Wacka

You picked a very appropriate screen handle!

Patent?

Gab?

The more people that get the truth, the better! - No secrets here. I’m sorry that it has to destroy your religion, but worshipping humanity is a dead end street.


179 posted on 03/26/2009 11:57:52 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Cedric; Wacka
"Wow, are you smart ever! D'you has a PhD or sumpin'?"

Yes, its a fluorescent decal on his forehead! - (now bow to evo...)

180 posted on 03/26/2009 12:01:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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