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Card. Mahony on the 'Tridentine' Mass (Catholic Caucus)
WDTPRS ^ | 3/1/2009 | Fr. Z.

Posted on 03/02/2009 9:21:44 AM PST by Pyro7480

His Eminence Roger Card. Mahony of Los Angeles shares his view of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite and, consequently, of the decision two Popes made to emancipate the older, pre-Conciliar form of Holy Mass.

The setting: On Friday, February 27, 2009, at 11:15 a.m. PST, ChurchWerks.com hosted an online chat session with Cardinal Mahony, live from the main Exhibit Hall at the Religious Education Congress in Anaheim, Calif.

Ann Scolari: What are your thoughts on the Trindentine mass?

CardinalMahony: Ann: The Tridentine Mass was meant for those who could not make the transition from Latin to English [or other languages] after the Council. But there is no participation by the people, and I don’t believe that instills the spirit of Christ among us.

Could not make the transition? What are they, stupid? Have they been lied to?

No participation by the people? What are they doing there?

Doesn’t instill the spirit of Christ? What is going on there, Your Eminence?

Are Eastern Catholics stupid or not participating or not instilling the Spirit of Christ if they attend the Divine Liturgy in their sacral liturgical language and their mode of participation, shut out by a screen and forced to listen?

WDTPRSers, I put it you now:

Imagine that a bishop, any bishop, might say things about a highly charged topic during a media interview.

Imagine that during Q&A he grossly mischaracterizes something dear and sacred to a group of people, something that touches on their very identity.

Imagine that this imaginary bishop states, in the media, things which are clearly false, even contrary to the teachings of the Church in the Vatican Council and subsequent legislation of Popes.

This imaginary bishop really believes his position to be true, but his statements – however sincerely believed – are deeply offensive to a interested group who have in the past been marginalized and mistreated.

Even people who do not prefer to attend Holy Mass in the older form should be offended by what Card. Mahony said to the world in this online chat.

He slapped our ancestors, Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, and everyone who loves our Church’s Holy Mass and Divine Liturgy in all its beautiful, meaningful, sacred and legitimate forms.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
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Cardinal Mahoney can't retire soon enough...
1 posted on 03/02/2009 9:21:45 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 03/02/2009 9:22:10 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
The Pederast Cardinal.
3 posted on 03/02/2009 9:24:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)
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To: Pyro7480

P. Introibo ad altare Dei
S. Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.


4 posted on 03/02/2009 9:27:20 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Pyro7480
Even people who do not prefer to attend Holy Mass in the older form should be offended by what Card. Mahony said

Someone please be offended for me. If I take time to be offended every time Cdl. Mahony says something rude, crazy, or heretical, I'll never get Vlad toilet trained.

5 posted on 03/02/2009 9:29:54 AM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Pyro7480
It would please Cardinal Mahoney if all the masses he said were in Spanish. He wouldn't give a damn about his English only speaking parishioners.

sw

6 posted on 03/02/2009 9:32:59 AM PST by spectre (sw )(Congress lied...the economy died)
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To: Tax-chick

Lol.


7 posted on 03/02/2009 9:35:26 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Tax-chick

Let us pray;

Father, please grant your servant Roger Mahoney the grace of repentance and conversion, that he may truly and faithfully fulfill the office of Cardinal Archbishop, which has been entrusted to him.

We ask this through Christ, Our Lord who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God Forever.


8 posted on 03/02/2009 9:38:47 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Countdown Clock Until Mahony's Retirement

9 posted on 03/02/2009 9:44:50 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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Why do these CINO’s have their arms outstretched? Are they doing some holy wave?


10 posted on 03/02/2009 9:49:20 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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It’s the Jack Kirby posture. ZAAARK!!! Bless rays shoot from their extended arms, spoiling the evil intentions of Galactus! Yay, the Earth is saved once again by these brave super heroes!!

Freegards


12 posted on 03/02/2009 9:57:41 AM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Thank you, great job!


13 posted on 03/02/2009 10:04:57 AM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Pyro7480

This has been going on, in every diocese, for the last 40 odd years. If you buy this line, get in line for 0bama’s Kool-Aid.

The liberal movement in the Catholic Church has used Saul Alinsky’s textbook for years. Politics of personal destruction, mischaracterizing issues, incrementalization; it’s all there. Toda, We even have pro-murder “Catholics” advocating murderers to be accepted in the Church’s name.

Sodom and Gomorrah were not this wicked!


14 posted on 03/02/2009 10:05:26 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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"Why do these CINO’s have their arms outstretched? Are they doing some holy wave?"

They are supposedly extending their hands in prayer (assisting whoever might be pronouncing the prayer). It was done frequently in the Charismatic Renewal. They are "helping," so to speak. I don't know how appropriate or licit it might be. Some speakers (priests or otherwise) invite the congregation to add their prayers in this manner.

15 posted on 03/02/2009 10:06:12 AM PST by redhead (Don't look at ME! I voted for SARAH!)
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Kneeling, folding their hands and bowing their heads like Sister Mary Attila said do isn’t good enough for them?


16 posted on 03/02/2009 10:24:46 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Kneelin? Bowing HEADS???? FOLDING HANDS!?!?!?!?

Aaaaaggghhhh!!!

That's so ... so ... so

Pre-CONCILIAR!

17 posted on 03/02/2009 10:29:10 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Yeah, and Sister Mary Attila will give you pre-conciliar what-for.

She'd feel right at home at our parish. It was S.R.O. for Ash Wednesday (I've never seen the place so crowded, even at Easter or Christmas) and we were all kneeling at the Consecration on the cold stone floor of the narthex . . . .

18 posted on 03/02/2009 10:35:49 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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"Kneeling, folding their hands and bowing their heads like Sister Mary Attila said do isn’t good enough for them?"

I agree. I always thought it was like "playing priest."

19 posted on 03/02/2009 11:02:02 AM PST by redhead (Don't look at ME! I voted for SARAH!)
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To: redhead

They are extending their hands in a blessing of some sort, which I do not believe they are supposed to be doing, but which occurs at pretty much every parish.


20 posted on 03/02/2009 11:22:23 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (We seem to be experiencing a tsunami of tsunami analogies.)
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