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Cardinal Mahoney can't retire soon enough...

1 posted on 03/02/2009 9:21:45 AM PST by Pyro7480

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2 posted on 03/02/2009 9:22:10 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)

The Pederast Cardinal.

3 posted on 03/02/2009 9:24:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)

P. Introibo ad altare Dei
S. Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.

4 posted on 03/02/2009 9:27:20 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)

Even people who do not prefer to attend Holy Mass in the older form should be offended by what Card. Mahony said

Someone please be offended for me. If I take time to be offended every time Cdl. Mahony says something rude, crazy, or heretical, I'll never get Vlad toilet trained.

5 posted on 03/02/2009 9:29:54 AM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)

It would please Cardinal Mahoney if all the masses he said were in Spanish. He wouldn't give a damn about his English only speaking parishioners.

6 posted on 03/02/2009 9:32:59 AM PST by spectre (sw )(Congress lied...the economy died)

9 posted on 03/02/2009 9:44:50 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)

This has been going on, in every diocese, for the last 40 odd years. If you buy this line, get in line for 0bama’s Kool-Aid.

The liberal movement in the Catholic Church has used Saul Alinsky’s textbook for years. Politics of personal destruction, mischaracterizing issues, incrementalization; it’s all there. Toda, We even have pro-murder “Catholics” advocating murderers to be accepted in the Church’s name.

Sodom and Gomorrah were not this wicked!

14 posted on 03/02/2009 10:05:26 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)

“Forgive me Father for I have sinned. Last week I went to mass because I could not make the transition from Latin to English, did not participate in the mass, and did not have the spirit of Christ instilled in me.”

21 posted on 03/02/2009 11:39:23 AM PST by m4629

Cardinal Mahony: Ann: The Tridentine Mass was meant for those who could not make the transition from Latin to English [or other languages] after the Council. But there is no participation by the people, and I don’t believe that instills the spirit of Christ among us.

I believe Card. Mahony is being honest, and, after a fashion, correct, in his assessment of the Second Vatican Council.

The key to understanding the Council is that it replaced Scholasticism with Phenomenology as the thought of the Church -- or rather, with a Phenomenological reworking of Thomism (a la Congar and Rahner).

According to this new thought of the Church, the Traditional Mass does not, strictly speaking, "instill the spirit of Christ in us."

A phenomenological understaning of that "spirit of Christ" is a spirit that works toward world peace through nuclear disarmament, social justice through redistribution of wealth, and a transformation of human nature so that we all sing "Kumbaya" together in a journey of collective salvation.

And it is quite true that the Traditional Mass does not foster any of these goals of the Council.

Fr. Z is quite correct that neither does the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom.

30 posted on 03/02/2009 4:20:08 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)

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