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CHRISTIANITY DEFINED - (LDS Site Defining Christianity) OPEN
LDS site Foundation for Christian Studies ^

Posted on 02/22/2009 7:00:41 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Edited on 02/22/2009 8:24:57 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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CHRISTIAN DEFINED
 

One might think that defining a Christian would be simple. Webster’s Dictionary defines the word Christian to mean “adherent of Christianity”, or “relating to or professing a belief in Christianity or Jesus Christ.” Simply put, a Christian is defined as one who believes in Jesus Christ.

The Encyclopedia Britannica states: “…writers of Christian history normally begin phenomenologically when discussing Christian identity; that is, they do not bring norms or standards by which they have determined the truth of this or that branch of Christianity or even of the faith tradition as a whole but identify everyone as Christian who call themselves Christian.” According to Britannica, a revered source in continuous publication since 1768, a Christian is plainly defined as someone who calls themselves a Christian.

Some Refute the Defining of a Christian
Despite the simplicity of the aforementioned definitions, there are some individuals and institutions who sternly contend that there are self-described Christians, and in fact entire sects of self-proclaimed Christian religions, who should not be considered Christians at all. As odd as this may seem, such allegations are common and emotionally charged. The website religioustolerance.org attempted to define a Christian and described the exercise as a “lightning rod,” and that the conclusions they came up with generated “many emails from angry Christians who denounce it,” especially among “Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Protestants.” The FCS encourages visitors to examine the content generated by religioustolderance.org on the subject of defining a Christian .


Reminiscent of the Pharisees of old, the contentious individuals and institutions who deny the Christianity of others often utilize their personal interpretation of scripture and synthetic dogma to support their assertions. They contend the privilege of earning the Christian label is dependent on such things as being born again, believing in the Triune God, accepting certain creeds, and/or belonging to a particular faith community. The absurdity of the dynamic reaches its pinnacle when those who bear testimony of their devotion to Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Redeemer are rebuked and denied the Christian marker by those who disagree with their religion and/or theological beliefs. It causes one to ponder—what would Jesus do?

Historical Perspective
The word “Christian” appears three times in the scriptures, all three in the New Testament. Acts 11:26 reveals that the Disciples of Christ were first referred to as Christians in Antioch, indicating those who followed Christ were starting to be referred to as Christians. Before that time it was common for those who followed Christ to refer to one another as brothers (or brethren), disciples, or believers. In Acts 26:20 King Agrippa tells Paul “Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian,” likely indicating the term “Christian” was beginning to be used (perhaps even regularly) to refer to a believer in Christ. In 1 Peter 4:16, Peter refers to those who would “suffer as a Christian,” signifying that those who consider themselves Christian should be happy in their persecutions and trials. In all three scriptural references that use the term Christian, not one denotes any further requirement to be a Christian other than believing in and following Jesus Christ.

In the Greek language (ancient and modern) it’s common to refer to a group of people by taking the root geographic location or ethnicity of that people and to add the suffix “anos.” For instance, those from the Cretan village of Spili are referred to as Spilianos, and a follower of Mohammed (Moameth in Greek) is referred to as Moamethanos. The reference to Christians in the original Greek translation of the New Testament is Christianos, meaning a follower of Christ. Although the term Christianos is historically believed to have been used in a derogatory sense by unbelievers, the meaning of the word remains.

When one combines the three New Testament references to Christian, the historical context of the time, and the linguistics of the original Greek, one must conclude that a Christian is simply one who follows and/or believes in Christ. Should one desire to create a deeper definition of a Christian using 1 Peter 4:16, then the most far reaching conclusion that can be drawn is that a Christian is one who not only follows Christ, but more deeply puts their trust in him, is reliant upon him, and seeks to live a life that exemplifies him—all difficult traits to quantify and thus of little value in defining a Christian.

The Testimony of an Apostle as a Litmus Test
One would never doubt the testimony of the apostle Peter, despite the fact he had his own moments of weakness during the trial and Atonement of Christ. When asked by the Savior “But whom say ye that I am?” Peter boldly replied, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, ” to which Jesus Christ confirmed “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 16;15-17). Perhaps we can use Peter’s testimony as a litmus test for all prospective Christians: do they believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God? If the answer is affirmative, then they are indeed a Christian.

Jesus Christ in Humility was Inclusionary
Jesus Christ never administered any theological exams to his disciplines, nor established any notable prerequisites to being a Christian other than to believe on him as the Son of God. Many were healed of the vilest of infirmities by simply believing in Jesus Christ as one who had the authority to perform such healings. There is no mention in the scriptures that the healed were made whole because they embraced the doctrine of the trinity, nor because they were classified as born again, nor because they belonged to a particular sect of believers. They were healed because they believed, or were blessed to have a believer intercede on their behalf, that Jesus was the Christ. Jesus was never one to be exclusionary in his ministry, but rather inclusionary across a broad spectrum. This is beautifully illustrated in Luke 9:49-50 which reads: “And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Jesus did not ask about their specific belief system, nor what group of disciples they congregated with. Rather, Jesus proclaimed that those who act in His name are to be considered His disciples. Many Christians today would do well to understand this passage of scripture and apply it to their own actions towards others.

The World in Pride is Exclusionary
If Jesus was so inclusionary, why then do we have modern day Pharisees fighting so hard to narrow the definition of a Christian—even to the persecution of fellow Christians? Do these individuals, like the apostle John in the passage from Luke 9, seek for a more exclusive club and complain when others call themselves Christian but don’t practice the same rituals or beliefs as they do?

The likely root of the reason for such passionate denials of Christianity upon others is pride and arrogance. Such pride can manifest itself into a fear of not clearly understanding the theological beliefs of others, nor taking the time to earnestly do so, thus resulting in the easier resolution of flatly denying to acknowledge another’s Christianity. There may be fear that such acknowledgement will lead to acceptance of another’s beliefs leading to a loss of membership or validity in their own religion.

Greed may play a role in the denial of the Christian label by ecclesiastical leaders resisting the loss of tithe paying members by employing a strategy of quiet slander towards other denominations. Additionally, one cannot rule out the possibility of Saul’s Syndrome, where like Saul who persecuted the Christians of old out of his zeal for the law, well intentioned individuals seek to protect the faith—when in essence they are fighting against the true will of God.

Excerpt from the article on Saul's Syndrome: in keeping others from the truth. Consider the Pharisee Saul before his radical conversion to the Lord when he afterwards became Paul. Through his disciplined spiritual education among the finest teachers in Jerusalem, and an unrivaled passion to protect the ways of the Lord as he knew it, Saul persecuted and fought against the spread of Christianity—even unto death among those he victimized. Paul was so blinded by his passion for what he believed to be right that he never considered that his interpretation of the scriptures and his spiritual belief system may be wrong. It wasn’t until the Lord himself appeared to Saul that he relinquished his incorrect interpretation of God’s doctrine and embraced the true gospel. How many millions today suffer from the same syndrome as Saul where religious passion overcomes the promptings of the Holy Ghost?

No matter what the specific reasons are, the resulting fruits of such denials of Christianity are disunity in the body of Christ, the spread of misinformation, and the sowing of seeds of ”discord among brethren” (Prov. 6:19).

Differences in Gospel Living, but all are Christians
Beyond being identified as a Christian, there is an abundance of doctrine in the scriptures that helps explain true Christian beliefs and practices—even “the deep things of God” (1 Cor. 2: 9-10). Some Christian theology is simple to understand, while other theological concepts are more difficult. Paul to the Corinthians and Hebrews used the metaphors of milk and meat to indicate there were simple doctrines (milk) and more complex doctrines (meat) (1 Cor. 3:2 and Heb. 5:12), and that one must be able to digest the milk before moving on to the more difficult to digest meat.

Paul points out that there may be various stages of understanding of the doctrines of Christianity among Christians. This difference in doctrinal understanding, combined with the moral agency of mankind that can lead to good and bad choices, results in their being stronger Christians who live their lives according to the precepts espoused by Jesus Christ (Matt. 25:34-36), and weaker Christians who find it difficult to live their lives in accordance with the gospel (Matt. 7:21-23). Regardless of what stage there are in, both are Christians and both must individually exercise their moral agency to accept or reject the ordinances and principles of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Likewise, both must accept the consequences of their actions in the Day of Judgment. There will be Christians (valiant and less valiant) in all three kingdoms in the eternities—perhaps even some who will end up relegated into outer darkness.

Conclusion
It is the hope and prayer of the FCS that the Christian world can unite on the simple principle of allowing everyone who claims Jesus Christ as their Savior to be respectfully referred to as a Christian without caveats. We can peacefully and considerately coexist as brothers and sisters in Christ, while ascribing to different Christian beliefs and church affiliations. Imagine what we can accomplish as a diverse Christian family working together to fulfill God’s purposes on earth.



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To: reaganaut

And I’m thrilled that you are going to be baptised as a REAL Christian...

((((HUGS))))

:)


281 posted on 02/23/2009 12:18:32 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

It’s about BOOKS; you know.

Do you REALLY think a LIVING Prophet® of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints would EVER get a revelation (wink-wink) to actually canonize a Book that a BREAKAWAY (in their terms) group of Mormons-lite owns the COPYRIGHT thereof??


I hadn’t thought about the copyright angle. The RLDS owned the copyright to the JST and so the LDS would prolly have to pay them royalties if they used it.


282 posted on 02/23/2009 12:20:53 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Actually you are getting baptized for the first time period.

As a Mormon, the act simply made you just like the rest in the LDS, ALL WET...

Welcome to the light of the true Church, the true Body of Christ...

283 posted on 02/23/2009 12:22:30 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: Tennessee Nana

probably postum. :)


284 posted on 02/23/2009 12:24:08 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22; Tennessee Nana

You are correct. I have to keep myslef from saying “re-baptized” since the LDS this was not a real baptism.

Its funny, I have been a Christian for 16 years but the Lord really started convicting me to get baptized last fall.


285 posted on 02/23/2009 12:26:33 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
The Spirit moves us in mysterious ways, but the important is what the spirit knows about us in our hearts...
286 posted on 02/23/2009 12:27:57 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: Tennessee Nana

Kinda. In my experience (and I did it too) The LDS will use the past prophets as scripture when i suits their purposes.

However, if it is embarrassing or makes the LDS church look bad, then the pat answer is “well, he was speaking as a man” or “only the current prophet speaks for today”.

But for the rank and file, when conversing amongst themselves, again in my experience, all prophets are created equal.


287 posted on 02/23/2009 12:29:28 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana
 
See how good I was at Pitmans Shorthand in high school ????
 

 The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story. No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.


Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!
*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:




What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.

288 posted on 02/23/2009 12:29:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
I am getting baptized again next month, this time as a Christian, not as a Mormon.

Congratulations on taking the step to publicly align yourself with Christ!

289 posted on 02/23/2009 12:31:31 PM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Double Speak, waltz around the truth and never touche it.


290 posted on 02/23/2009 12:33:30 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Elsie


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The requested URL was not found on this server.

Please check your URL and verify that it is correct.


Well... they USED to be there!

291 posted on 02/23/2009 12:33:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: count-your-change
I think that is a third year class as BYU...
292 posted on 02/23/2009 12:35:06 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ejonesie22

There are some things only a good education can provide!


293 posted on 02/23/2009 12:47:10 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: reaganaut
I wasn’t a Gentile then. I was a member. But the recognition that I was being lied to about things like that is one thing that made me take a closer look at the LDS church, which is what led me out. I became a Christian shortly after leaving.

Your story is like so many other I've read here and on other blogs/sites. I am thankful that unlike so many other exmormons who totally rejected God in any way shape or form, you found out Savior.

294 posted on 02/23/2009 12:47:28 PM PST by Godzilla (Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?)
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To: count-your-change

It takes an effort to train a good sales force.

Now if they would only put the effort into the product...


295 posted on 02/23/2009 12:50:09 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: colorcountry

I am getting baptized again next month, this time as a Christian, not as a Mormon.

Congratulations on taking the step to publicly align yourself with Christ!


Thanks. I have been public about my faith since I was saved. But the Lord convicted me that this was a matter of obedience. I know baptism doesn’t save, Christ does. However, I was convicted that I was being disobedient in putting baptism off for so long.


296 posted on 02/23/2009 12:50:34 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22

Its called “Missonary Preparation Class”. I took it 2nd year.


297 posted on 02/23/2009 12:52:52 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla
Well that in a nutshell is why we fight so hard against the LDS. It is so out there that once an individual finally figured everything out, it may well sour them on any other faith. That is the point of my “theft of Christ” concept, they have stolen Christ and corrupted him, so to those whose only experience maybe the LDS it would become a case of guilt by association for the True Body of Christ.

Prevention is the key...

298 posted on 02/23/2009 12:55:08 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: reaganaut

Sales class...


299 posted on 02/23/2009 12:56:00 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ejonesie22
The foundation in post #268 is gonna take care of that, a little polish, wax, buff and the iron pyrite will look just as gold as good, maybe more so.
300 posted on 02/23/2009 1:05:00 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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