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In Search of Book of Mormon Geography (Open)
http://www.uwec.edu/geography/Ivogeler/vogeler.htm ^ | Vernal Holley

Posted on 01/18/2009 6:08:09 AM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: yazoo

LOL

Gentile, Didnt you know that King James English comes from “reformed Egyptian” ????

Did you really buy that Gentile story about the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes ????

:)


21 posted on 01/18/2009 11:35:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Utah Binger; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
Sending out a prayer request to the Inmans and all for your safe recovery. God bless.

You sure there aren't some genes working there?

It wasn't coffee, tea, alcohol and I quit the tobacco over thirty years ago...

22 posted on 01/18/2009 11:42:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The whole thing smacks of TRIUMPHALISM".....ht chuck_the_tv_out)
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To: greyfoxx39

My genes are Levi Strauss.

Just kidding...Every one of my mothers uncles and her father were gone from this planet before age 50. The University of Utah has been tracking our family for about forty years as a study and also a preventive measure. My annual physical last spring had some serious Calcium issues that needed to be resolved. Naturally I put it off. Last Friday they did an angiogram and the results indicated it was time to take care of this old diabetic’s heart. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

I appreciate your good thoughts.


23 posted on 01/18/2009 11:55:34 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

Be healed UB, in the lovely Name of Jesus...

He sent His Word, and healed Utah Binger..Psalm 107:20

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. 3 John 1:2


24 posted on 01/18/2009 12:58:36 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: vladimir998
(Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)

Addition to Scripture is addition to Christ. St. Elsie

Doubt about Scripture is doubt about Christ. St. Elsie

Ignoring Scripture is ignoring Christ. St. Elsie

Re-'translating' Scripture is re-defining Christ. St. Elsie

25 posted on 01/18/2009 1:18:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Did you really buy that Gentile story about the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes ????

The one where they all walked into a bar??

26 posted on 01/18/2009 1:19:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Be healed UB, in the lovely Name of Jesus...  AMEN!!

But if not...

You'll be headed to the right place with Jesus.

(Uh... HE is your Savior; right? ;^)

 

 

 


KJV Daniel 3:13-18
 13.  Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
 14.  Nebuchadrezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
 15.  Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
 16.  Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
 17.  If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
 18.  But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
 
 
 

I hope you’re having a better day today, but if not, a favourite quote from Winston Churchill seems apropos: “If you’re going through hell, keep going.”

27 posted on 01/18/2009 1:43:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
 
In Search of Mormon Geography...
 
 
 

Mormon tourists travel to key sites of their faith

Mexico, Central America

Chris Hawley
Mexico City Bureau
Jun. 20, 2007 08:30 AM

TEOTIHUACÁN, Mexico - In a corner of these ancient ruins, not far from the towering Pyramid of the Sun, a small group of Mormons sat among the milling tourists and gazed across what they believe to be their holy land.

"This is just what it says in the Book of Mormon about the Jaredites," Bill Welsh of Provo, Utah, said excitedly as an archaeologist described how internal strife sped the downfall of Teotihuacán.

For the world's 13 million Mormons, the ruins of Mexico and Central America are hallowed ground, a place where Old Testament tribes settled after traveling across the ocean and where Jesus came to preach after his Resurrection. Although archaeologists say there is scant evidence to back up such beliefs, a growing number of travelers are paying thousands of dollars to search for connections on Mormon-themed tours and cruises.

"It solidifies the things you read about in the Book of Mormon," Randy Andrus of Gilbert said as he walked through a section of Teotihuacán known as the Citadel. "I'm feeling some good things here."

Mormons believe that three groups of people - the Jaredites, the Mulekites and the family of a Hebrew merchant named Lehi - sailed from the Middle East and settled in the Americas hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus.

The descendants of Lehi split into two camps, the Nephites and the Lamanites, and were visited by Jesus after his Resurrection around A.D. 34, Mormons believe. The Nephites kept records of their history on gold plates.

The Nephites were destroyed by rival tribes around A.D. 385, the church says. One of the last surviving Nephites wandered through the Americas and eventually buried the plates in New York.

The plates were found and translated in the 1800s by the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, the church says.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Mormon church is known, does not have an official position on where the ancient tribes lived. Even Mormon archaeologists say more research is needed to pinpoint their cities.

But that hasn't stopped tour companies from offering Book of Mormon trips to Guatemala, Honduras and southern Mexico, places rich in pre-Hispanic ruins.

"No one is exactly sure where these things happened, but we think we have some good candidates," said Blake Allen, president of Book of Mormon Tours.

Book of Mormon Tours, which started in the 1970s, claims to be the first such company, but at least 10 others now offer tours and cruises. One of the biggest tour operators, Liahona Tours, started in 2001 and has seen its business double every year, President Shelby Saberon said. This year, it will conduct 16 tours.

The trips have become more popular as roads and air links improve, making once-remote ruins easier to get to, organizers say. But they are pricey, with some trips stretching for 21 days and costing more than $4,200, not including airfare.

Central America and southern Mexico are the most important destinations for such tours because of the advanced cities and writing systems that existed there from 600 B.C. to A.D. 400, the main period covered by the Book of Mormon, Allen said.

But the tour groups differ over the exact sites. L.D.S. Guided Tours says the ancient city of Bountiful, where Jesus appeared to the Nephites, may be the Mayan city of Dzibanché in southern Mexico. Liahona Tours says it could be El Mirador, 90 miles away in Guatemala.

Other companies focus on Tikal, 40 miles to the southeast of El Mirador, or on another site 200 miles west in Mexico's Tabasco state

Most Latin American archaeologists say there are no connections between the Mayas, who lived in that area, and the Hebrew tribes of the Middle East.

"These are completely different cultures, and they developed in a different space and time," said José Huchim, an archaeologist and Mayan expert with Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History.

Even Mormon archaeologists say it will take decades of digging for artifacts before the Book of Mormon can be proved or disproved.

"I just see the tours as entertaining, and I try not to get upset that people are wasting their money doing foolish things," said John Clark, director of the New World Archaeological Foundation at Brigham Young University, which is owned by the church.

But the uncertainty didn't damper the spirits of the 18 travelers at Teotihuacán, the first stop on an 11-day Liahona Tours trip.

They nodded knowingly and chimed in with scripture references as archaeologist Kim Goldsmith, also a Mormon, described the use of cement and the way Teotihuacán's builders cleared the forest to make way for the city.

Archaeologists know little about the people who built Teotihuacán, not even the city's original name or what language was spoken there. The city reached its zenith between A.D. 250 and 600.

The city's builders may have been related to the Jaredites, whom Mormons believe came to the New World at the time of the biblical Tower of Babel, said Mont Woolley, the tour director.

But whether the archaeological evidence backs up the Book of Mormon is irrelevant, said tour participant Dawn Frenetti, 28, of Milpitas, Calif. Just seeing such sites is inspiring, she said.

"It definitely helps me stay interested in learning more about the Book of Mormon," she said. "But, as far as confirming my faith, my faith has always been there."
 

28 posted on 01/18/2009 1:52:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cruise_missile

Smithsonian has said there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon.


29 posted on 01/18/2009 2:14:50 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper
Smithsonian has said there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon.
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So this isn't even a strong delusion?
“2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
(10) and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be save.
(11)For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie”
30 posted on 01/18/2009 2:25:09 PM PST by cruise_missile
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To: Utah Binger

I’ll come visit. My thoughts are with you, big guy!

How did your show go?


31 posted on 01/18/2009 3:05:05 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry

Had a very good turn out. A few sales and lots of good red wine. Isn’t that good for the heart?

I know, you really make my heart beat strongly!


32 posted on 01/18/2009 3:17:51 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Thanks, TN.


33 posted on 01/18/2009 3:20:26 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie

Yes, I want to go there too, I hear they are unreal.


34 posted on 01/18/2009 3:42:17 PM PST by Godzilla (Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?)
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To: Utah Binger
My genes are Levi Strauss.

More prayer coverage for ya.

35 posted on 01/18/2009 3:43:47 PM PST by Godzilla (Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?)
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To: Godzilla

Thanks!


36 posted on 01/18/2009 3:54:54 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger
God bless you FRiend, you'll be in my thoughts and prayers.

And I blame ice cream too, whenever it finally catches up with me, which it will..

37 posted on 01/18/2009 4:28:17 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: yazoo

He doesn’t?

And all this time I thought the whole George Burns voice was a put on...

I guess next you’ll tell me God doesn’t look like Morgan Freeman...


38 posted on 01/18/2009 4:28:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: Godzilla

Hey!

That’s my line;-)


39 posted on 01/18/2009 4:29:14 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ejonesie22

Thanks


40 posted on 01/18/2009 5:21:56 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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