IN BRUSH WITH DEATH, PRIEST SHOWN HELL, PURGATORY, DEGREES OF SUFFERING

Lenten Reflections ^ | October 30, 2008

[NYer]

For your discernment, ping!

[DarthVader]

Satan is not in hell yet. He was referred by Christ as the “God of this world” and the “Prince and power of the air”. He is not cast into hell until the 2nd Advent of Christ.

[Mercat]

My favorite is Dante’s purgatorio.

[tx_eggman]

I also understood that some people who repent from these sins might be purified on earth through their sufferings.

For your discernment, ping!

There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. Romans 3:23-25

Suffering isn't needed to purify that which Christ's blood has already cleansed ... so I'm all through discerning now, thanks.

[NYer]

For Visitors to this thread

PURGATORY -

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

PRAYING FOR THE SOULS IN PURGATORY -

Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. They can intercede on behalf of the people of God.

2 Macc. 15:12-16 – the high priest Onias and the prophet Jeremiah were deceased for centuries, and yet interact with the living Judas Maccabeas and pray for the holy people on earth.

Rev. 5:8 - the prayers of the saints (on heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede on our behalf before God, and it also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The “24 elders” are said to refer to the people of God – perhaps the 12 tribes and 12 apostles - and the “four living creatures” are said to refer to the angels.)

[wastedyears]

I wonder if they play Iron Maiden in hell. If they do, it might not be so bad...

=D

[TASMANIANRED]

Many are called..Few are chosen.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Why didn't he describe purgatory better. My vision of it is it's exactly like Detroit or Colombia SC with no chance of leaving.

[Crazieman]

Maybe because purgatory is a fabrication of the Catholic church and this is a bizarre hallucination.

[NYer]

Maybe because purgatory is a fabrication of the Catholic church and this is a bizarre hallucination.

See post #6.

[Sacajaweau]

It’s not even an hallucination...it’s imagination...The same image he’s likely been preaching for years.

[Alex Murphy]

[Funereal organ music plays]

DEATH
The Great Enigma

What happens when we die?
What is on the other side?

Now mankind has startling new evidence from people declared clinically "dead" who have returned to tell of their experience.

Their descriptions are so similar... so vivid... that they may change mankind's view of life, death and survival forever.

LIFE AFTER DEATH
a report from the other side

[ominous woodwind-sounding music builds]

Man: I can remember... the nurses... saying something about "code pink," and then clearly I remember... one of the doctors saying "he's gone." ...I couldn't understand how they could be so worried, when... I felt so happy to be outside of my body, and so peaceful. It was fabulous. Everything was bathed in a, an eerie white light... suddenly I found myself in a huge, white room... where I had to take a number and be seated.

Man 2: I must have died, because I recognized my body was rising up, like an elevator. And I was passing through these rounds of light, and time, and space, and all of a sudden I came to this area which was filled blindingly with light and energy and space... and I had to take a number and sit down.

Woman: I was flying down this... corridor, with this... blue light, and... um, I ended up in this room where I had to reach up, and take a number, and then sit down.



[a mechanical sign reads NOW SERVING 32. The digits turns over to read 33.]

[2banana]

The sins that convicted them were mainly abortion, homosexuality, sins of the flesh, euthanasia, hatefulness, lack of forgiveness and sacrilege.

Sounds like the democrat party platform...

[Orange1998]

If it works there then it should work here. Next time I will not complain when the clerk tells me to “take a number”.

[AliVeritas]

Meanwhile...

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/22/video-the-obligatory-freaky-deaky-edmonton-meteor-clips/

[little jeremiah]

Bookmark for later reading.

[Revolting cat!]

I wonder if they play Iron Maiden in hell.

'fraid not. A recent cartoon shows a client at a radio receiver in Hell, searching for stations. The devil behind him says "It's all smooth jazz." It'll be Kenny G for you, buddy!

[Desdemona]

This account isn't much different than the others I've read over the years. The message is the same - keep your soul clean, take advantage of Penance and absolution, pray for the souls in Purgatory, etc. In the last six years, there's been a big difference in my life with this approach. I whole-heartedly recommend it.

[bradthebuilder]

Apparently this website lists the rest of the story:

http://jopetsukisuki.multiply.com/journal/item/19/A_PRIEST_WHO_SAW_HEAVEN_HELL_AND_PURGATORY.._The_death_experience_of_Father_Jose_Maniyangat.._?&item_id=19&view:replies=threaded