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Italy's favourite saint was a fraud believed former pope
TimesOnine ^ | October 25, 2007 | Richard Owen

Posted on 07/02/2008 3:28:00 AM PDT by Gamecock

Pope John XXIII believed Padre Pio, the hugely popular Capuchin monk who was canonised in 2002, was a fraud who had "incorrect" relations with women and whose soul was in danger....

Sergio Luzzatto...has also found documents in the Vatican archives suggesting that Padre Pio may have faked his stigmata, the marks of the wounds of Christ, with acid. Vatican officials say both allegations are already well known....

Followers of Padre Pio believe he exuded "the odour of sanctity", had the gift of bilocation (being in two places at once), healed the sick and could prophesy the future.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: agendadrivenfreeper; atheism; atheistagitprop; pio
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To: All
::Sigh:: And I'd been behaving myself so well lately!

I suppose it will do me no good to point out the irony of FR Catholics (notorious for their support of evolution and higher criticism) defending the supernatural phenomena associated with the "anti-modern, medieval" Padre Pio. Do any of you suppose that Padre Pio believed in JEPD, or that Noah's Flood was a myth adapted from the Enuma Elish or that Adam and Eve were were not real people? Yet here you are, Biblical skeptics that you are, defending the miracles of a man who died forty years ago.

Do you think you do your cause any good refusing to answer questions but responding instead with childish insults? If you're going to complain about a thread being anti-Catholic, then respond to the charges; don't just show up to call the posters childish names. And making fun of King James English (the religious language of the traditional American Heartland culture) sounds like something Christopher Hitchens or Al Sharpton would do. If you aren't going to respond, then please ignore "anti-Catholic" threads. Your childish name-calling and attempts at ridicule simply make Catholics seem like another urban liberal immigrant "minority group" that screams "bigot" everytime it gets a splinter.

And finally, as for the fact that Protestants continue to splinter, that is because they regard truth to be more important than mere political unity. Your own Church is in a mess because it has exalted political unity above all other considerations.

101 posted on 07/02/2008 8:42:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (...veyiqchu 'eleykha farah 'adummah temimah, 'asher 'ein-bah mum 'asher lo'-`alah `aleyha `ol.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“And finally, as for the fact that Protestants continue to splinter, that is because they regard truth to be more important than mere political unity.Protesting too much here...the article was written some time ago and the motivation is obvious to all seeking truth. If you want to launch attacks unimpeded, try another forum.

The Church has withstood the Ages and still stands as Christ stated.


102 posted on 07/02/2008 9:02:12 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: ChurtleDawg; Gamecock
Also, if his stigmata were faked, why has all trace of them dissappeared from his body? He had the marks for 50 years! Thousands of people saw them or touched them. Doctors examined them. A few days before his death they were suddenly gone. If he had burned his flesh with acid, certainly there would be evidence of it on his skin.

I had heard/read (though I forget where) that they were not simply "suddenly gone" but that they scabbed over in his last few days, and the scabs fell off shortly after his death (within hours), leaving behind no scar whatsoever. That, at least in my opinion, means more than them simply disappearing.

103 posted on 07/02/2008 9:04:30 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: Gamecock

Are you familiar with the story of St. Pio?

Indeed, the odor of roses was present at different times in different places.

This article is a fraud.


104 posted on 07/02/2008 9:06:38 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wmfights

do you really believe that nonsense? that padre Pio burned holes through his hands and feet for 50 years with acids? and then, all of the acid burns just dissappeared a few days before he died, along with the holes?

that is ridiculous


105 posted on 07/02/2008 9:09:12 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: DannyTN

You need to read the biography of Padre Pio by Ruffin. It relates the stories of bi-location in helping World War II navigators. Nothing to laugh at — plenty of back up facts in the book.


106 posted on 07/02/2008 9:09:44 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Do any of you suppose that Padre Pio believed in JEPD, or that Noah's Flood was a myth adapted from the Enuma Elish or that Adam and Eve were were not real people?

No, I don't suppose he did. Yet I don't either. I suspect that quite a number of Catholics (and certainly a greater proportion on FR than in general) don't believe those things either. (A side point: Denial of Adam and Eve was explicitly denounced by Pius XII in his encyclical letter "Humani Generis.")

Denial of miracles (both ancient and modern) is a trait of the modernists.

107 posted on 07/02/2008 9:13:00 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

whatever...yawn


108 posted on 07/02/2008 9:14:29 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: GCC Catholic

even so, that is evidence of some sort of miracle healing.


109 posted on 07/02/2008 9:20:31 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: magisterium

My, aren’t you touchy today!


110 posted on 07/02/2008 9:22:07 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock
The same can be said about Luther.

Padre Pio never tried to reword the Bible.

111 posted on 07/02/2008 9:24:23 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: netmilsmom
LOL! Then why did you ask?

ROFLMTO

112 posted on 07/02/2008 9:25:02 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Gamecock

No more so than you were trying to be incendiary in post 75. But at least “touchy” and “incendiary” both end with the same letter.


113 posted on 07/02/2008 9:25:49 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: All
There is a Padre Pio shrine on Route 40 in Buena,New Jersey. It is my understanding that such a shrine could not be built without the Pope's blessing. Which would have been Pope John Paul at the time.
114 posted on 07/02/2008 9:27:33 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (I'm a Patriot. I feel freedom through and through. Happy Independence Day!!!)
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To: Petronski

Which words?


115 posted on 07/02/2008 9:31:51 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: ChurtleDawg
even so, that is evidence of some sort of miracle healing.

Of course. Mystical healing of mystical wounds.

116 posted on 07/02/2008 9:32:21 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: ChurtleDawg; GCC Catholic

Exactly. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people saw and touched Padre Pio’s hands. But yes, it could have been self-inflicted over a half century. However, it is IMPOSSIBLE to self inflict the SAME WOUND for fifty years without scarring.


117 posted on 07/02/2008 9:33:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gamecock

Adding “alone” to Romans 3:28.


118 posted on 07/02/2008 9:33:39 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: rbmillerjr; GCC Catholic
I am not a Protestant. I don't even believe in sola scriptura. Unfortunately, most Catholic opponents of sola scriptura tend to confuse ss with total Biblical inerrancy and thus oppose both concepts. Thus the attacks on one are interpreted as attacks on the other and Protestants respond by clinging to both even more stubbornly.

Existing for 2000 years really doesn't prove anything. Judaism has been around for 3320 years yet most Catholics think it's a false religion. And again, the notion that remaining in a single communion is more important than truth itself is why the Catholic Church today is rotting from the head down.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Catholics are very liberal when it comes to the Bible, and Catholic apologetics often invoke blasphemous higher critical theories to disprove sola scriptura, so again, a rejection of ss is identified with higher criticism. Many Catholic bibles with the imprimatur of the bishops incorporate higher critical theories in their commentary. And unfortunately, Catholic FReepers tend to be every bit as liberal on the Bible as other Catholics.

119 posted on 07/02/2008 9:36:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (...veyiqchu 'eleykha farah 'adummah temimah, 'asher 'ein-bah mum 'asher lo'-`alah `aleyha `ol.)
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To: philly-d-kidder; All
Why are his hands covered with gloves?


120 posted on 07/02/2008 9:38:33 AM PDT by TightyRighty (I enjoy well-mannered frivolity.)
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