Italy's favourite saint was a fraud believed former pope

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[Zionist Conspirator]

So why don't you answer this, do YOU believe that the events of the New Testament really happened?

Do YOU believe in the Virgin Birth, the Holy Trinity, the Resurrection and Ascension?

What? Haven't you heard that science has proven that none of those things could have happened?

Better watch out, or the next thing you know you'll be saying that Methuselah lived 969 years!

[wagglebee]

Your response has NOTHING to do with my questions. So I will ask them again. I might also point out that I am unaware of any Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox member of this forum who would have the slightest problem affirmatively answering them.

So why don’t you answer this, do YOU believe that the events of the New Testament really happened?

Do YOU believe in the Virgin Birth, the Holy Trinity, the Resurrection and Ascension?

[Petronski]

I’ll answer them: yes, yes, yes, yes.

[ChurtleDawg]

when I write this...I want you to understand what I mean:

My faith in Almighty God, the Lord,is greater than my faith in any interpretation of scriptures, in scientific theory, in any Bible verse.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. That is Truth. That is where I put my faith.

[Admin Moderator]

Don’t make personal attacks.

[ChurtleDawg]

My answer: yes, yes, yes, yes.

Those are the essentials of my faith.

Glory to God in the highest!

[wagglebee]

I just find it profoundly hypocritical for a non-Christian to demean Catholics for believing in what they dismissively term the “new testament” while they defend Protestants who believe the EXACT same thing.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Actually, I don’t have a strong opinion on evolution or a literal 6 day creation at all. It simply doesn’t effect my faith at all. The point of Genesis is not about a creation timeframe, but is about God’s relationship to man. Whether it is literal or it is a parable, it is the simple truth. period. I really don’t see the point in arguing over it.

Since all truth is God’s truth, no matter how the world actually came about-—whether over billions of years or in six days 6000 years ago, is completely irrelevent to my belief. The Lord made it happen, He created man and all life, and we lost our relationship with Him because of our sins.

So you're admitting I was right all along then?

Please try to understand why it is infuriating for a person who has posted the above garbage to defend a miracle working "holy man" from the last century. But of course you never will.

[Petronski]

Better watch out, or the next thing you know you'll be saying that Methuselah lived 969 years!

Gen 6:3 And God said: My spirit shall not remain in man for ever, because he is flesh, and his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Don’t make personal attacks.

I am sorry, but these hypocrites are so d@mned infuriating.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Gen 6:3 And God said: My spirit shall not remain in man for ever, because he is flesh, and his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

This is your way of admitting that you're an evolutionist, right?

[wagglebee]

I wrote:
First of all, NOTHING in the link you provided indicates that ANYBODY is questioning the inerrancy of the Bible.

You responded:
I'm sorry, but you are either a liar or an idiot.

My original request for a link was in response to this statement from you:
Yet this forum is full--absolutely crawling--with your co-religionists who not only reject Biblical inerrancy but insist that this is absolutely essential to being a "good Catholic."

Here is the link you provided:

Christian Atheism

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:47:26 PM · 80 of 87
Kolokotronis to Zionist Conspirator; annalex; wideawake

“So you’re saying that every single solitary illiterate peasant on Crete or in Guatemala is an evolutionist and higher critic? Is this really what you are saying? Because words mean things, and you never say that “some” Catholics/Orthodox or “most” Catholic/Orthodox or even “the vast majority” of Catholic/Orthodox believe or reject so-and-so. You are absolutely sure you have the authority and read every single solitary creationist or rejecter of “higher criticism” out of your churches as “closet Protestants” or at least as possessors of an “adulterated” Catholicism/Orthodoxy.”

Yes.

BTW, I couldn’t care less what the Torah says. The OT of The Church is the Septuagint and that, ZC, was written in Greek.

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And you have the gall to call ME a liar or idiot for saying that this post has nothing to do with Catholics questioning the inerrancy of the Bible?

[Zionist Conspirator]

I just find it profoundly hypocritical for a non-Christian to demean Catholics for believing in what they dismissively term the “new testament” while they defend Protestants who believe the EXACT same thing.

I'm not defending Protestants. I'm attacking the hypocrisy of Catholics who will believe any miracle so long as it isn't in the "old testament."

As for why I single out Catholics (and other liturgical chr*stians), surely you must understand that Protestants believing in a "new testament" you both share is more logically consistent than you disbelieving an "old testament" which you insist on printing in your bibles. Why do you do this? If the "old testament" is so subversive, so threatening, then why do you use it at all?

All the modern problems in the Catholic Church started with its acceptance of evolution. Yet you "conservative Catholics" will rail against every evil under the sun while defending evolution. How can a such a group of allegedly sophisticated, rational, intellectual people be so thoroughly dense?

[ChurtleDawg]

No, you were not right. I am saying that the Lord God Almighty created the heavens and the earth, and all life therein.

Once you understand that you are one of God’s creatures, it really doesn’t matter how He created you.

And I AM NOT saying that the Bible was wrong.

[Zionist Conspirator]

And you have the gall to call ME a liar or idiot for saying that this post has nothing to do with Catholics questioning the inerrancy of the Bible?

Yes because the poster was saying that any Catholic (including the simplest peasant) who doesn't believe in evolution or higher criticism is not a "real" Catholic, and two posts later the Catholic annalex congratulated him for making this post.

Are you still so dense?

[wagglebee]

First of all, and this may come as a real shock to you, Catholics DO believe the Old Testament.

Are there some liberal Catholics who don’t? Certainly, just as there are some liberal Protestants who don’t.

You may or may not be aware of this, but devout Protestants who truly believe in the inerrancy of Scripture make up just a small minority of Protestants. If you don’t believe me, then look at the number of Protestant denominations that ordain women, ordain known and practicing homosexuals, allow divorce, abortion and birth control.