Posted on 05/28/2008 6:05:04 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Hello fellow Freepers. I believe this is my first post on the Religion forum.
Over the past week or so, I put some thought into something I've been pondering for a while; my spiritual welfare. As it was, I had been part of the 'Sola Scriptua' school of thought (Evangelical Christian). By the Bible and only the Bible. Sounded good enough.
Well...what about before the Bible was put into word? It stuck in my head when reading an article earlier on FR concerning a deconstruction of Sola Scriptura and its inherent weaknesses as a foundation for one's faith.
This, combined with a genuine lack of churchgoing (as a family, we've been uncertain about going to various churches, given that top-down problems with Episcopal/Methodist/etc. churches and their increasing liberalization are a genuine problem for one's spiritual welfare), compelled me to make a decision.
I don't know if my family will follow me, persay, but I'm going to go ahead and take the plunge.
Next month, I'm going to the Church of St. Thomas the Apostle near my home, and I'm joining the Roman Catholic Church.
As is, I have a few volumes of the Magnificat pamphlet and the Catechism of the Catholic Church to read.
Any other pointers from other Catholic Freepers?
In my book, sarcasm is just a style of debate in the town square or “open” threads. Likewise, mocking - though it tends to make the poster look mean or silly to a third party lurker. Neither are “thin skin” to me.
baruch HaShem
I hope you would agree that one can make observations about accusations of “thin skin” without being thin-skinned.
“Elohim” the plural, is actually often used in the OT to denote God. Many Christians take the meaning to be the Trinity, because Christ said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.”
Actually, in some instances the word is used to refer, in the OT, to the multiple gods of the Philistines, Canannites, and others. It is also used with a singular verb and modifiers, 9even though it is a plural word, which tends to give it a singular meaning) to refer to God Almighty.
Just one of those things I thought was fascinating, and since I don’t often read the NAsbU, I thought I’d ask what you meant by the honorific. Yod He Voh He are the four letters that make up the name God gave to Moses, in the burning bush, iirc, though on that I could be mistaken.
John of the Cross put it best (paraphrasing): Wishing for locutions is an insult to God in whom all of our faith should rest, with or without His apparent communication. Sometimes God chooses vessels to speak to in this way, but far too many people hear an “inner voice” and attribute it to some kind of revelation, when it’s simply there own thought processees playing out.
Anyone who asks for “word of knowledge” is only asking for trouble. They have no idea who’s responding to their request (i.e., themselves or Satan). This was a big reason I left the charismatic movement. Way too much latitude for error when inner emotions can pollute the very relationship with the Holy Spirit that one is seeking. Better to cling to the bark of Peter and let the Holy Spirit work quietly as the Gentleman He is, instead of demanding signs and wonders that inevitably lead to error when people refuse to remove their own weakness from the equation.
Baptism has everything to do with salvation, because without it, you can't be saved. Period.
That said, there are many Catholics who believe that's all they need. I fear, along with you, for those souls who do not follow the teachings of the Magisterium.
reference please, thanks
Different people show respect different ways. Once upon a time, people bowed to their social superiors (in Japan, they still do). Nobody EVER confused that with worship. So stop pushing what you now know is a false idea.
Nothing is impossible for God, but the false concept of transubstantiation is a vile contortion of what God is telling us in Scripture.
Transubstantiation denies the word of God and the spiritual truth He has given us, only to replace it with a materialistic side-show.
The one-time sacrifice of Christ on the cross has been offered and accepted by God for all the sins of His flock. It is over. Our job is to be grateful for His gift by glorifying the Giver.
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:12-18"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." -- Luke 22:19
"Do" what?
"Give thanks...in remembrance of me."
And this is why the RCC declares Scripture is be subservient to men and the doctrines of men -- because the word of God clearly denies the erroneous practices of Rome.
well said
The objective on the Religion Forum is for all religious conservatives to have a voice with no one group dominating over the others. Some are being faithful in their beliefs by gravitating to the devotionals, some to the caucuses, some to the open debate.
There is no "official" religion on the forum - and I'm not the arbiter of truth, fact, logic or meaning of words.
So yes, in order for your fellow religious conservative to exercise his faith, you will no doubt have to answer the very same allegation for the umpteenth time on 'open' threads. Or put him on virtual "ignore."
>>How dare you question my nastiness, you @#$@#% ^$%@%&$%$%!
I’m hitting the abuse button on you. ;-).
Luke 1:28
"Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee..."
>>There have been several, mom. Maybe most Catholics do think that,but there are others who have said otherwise, even in Catholic writings. I think Dr. E. has posted some.<<
Well, to be believed, one must post the thread from which something came from. Otherwise they are either out of context or false.
Anyone can post anything but as with the MSM who post tidbits of the President’s speech and the FReepers say, “Let me read HIS words.”
As for quoting another poster who writes words without reference, personally I would not like to look foolish doing it.
Do what?
"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them..."
...the RCC declares Scripture is be subservient to men and the doctrines of men...
It does not.
I'm sure God feels the same way about me and my own obstinance.
Take heart. You win graces for strangers by your witness to the faith. The purpose of being Catholic is not to feel good at the end of the day. We're the main attraction in the battle against the dominion of Satan. It will never be easy.
I’m sorry. I’m just really thin-skinned. I’m seeing a dermatologist, but it’s not helping.
Gosh, in some places you put your right hand on it and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, so help you God! Hopefully that is being done away with as we speak.
>> I try to speak what I feel is the truth according to scripture. Perhaps some here feel boldness is nastiness.<<
YOUR truth according to scripture. MY truth according to scripture is different so actually when someone slams my religion, is that person speaking truth? Only that person’s truth.
If someone truly only spoke truth, then one would be able to admit that one is being presumptuous to know the Mind of God.
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