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To: XeniaSt

“Elohim” the plural, is actually often used in the OT to denote God. Many Christians take the meaning to be the Trinity, because Christ said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Actually, in some instances the word is used to refer, in the OT, to the multiple gods of the Philistines, Canannites, and others. It is also used with a singular verb and modifiers, 9even though it is a plural word, which tends to give it a singular meaning) to refer to God Almighty.

Just one of those things I thought was fascinating, and since I don’t often read the NAsbU, I thought I’d ask what you meant by the honorific. Yod He Voh He are the four letters that make up the name God gave to Moses, in the burning bush, iirc, though on that I could be mistaken.


704 posted on 05/30/2008 9:49:41 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I was born at night, but not last night.)
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To: Judith Anne
“Elohim” the plural, is actually often used in the OT to denote God. Many Christians take the meaning to be the Trinity, because Christ said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Actually, in some instances the word is used to refer, in the OT, to the multiple gods of the Philistines, Canannites, and others. It is also used with a singular verb and modifiers, 9even though it is a plural word, which tends to give it a singular meaning) to refer to God Almighty.

Just one of those things I thought was fascinating, and since I don’t often read the NAsbU, I thought I’d ask what you meant by the honorific. Yod He Voh He are the four letters that make up the name God gave to Moses, in the burning bush, iirc, though on that I could be mistaken.

704 posted on May 30, 2008 10:49:41 AM MDT by Judith Anne

The argument for the Trinity can be supported by the Elohim as a plural.

Anytime Elohim is used and not modified by reference to tribes other than the Chosen People it always means the the G-d of Israel.

In the Beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Matthew. 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Y'shua,
[Yahoshua is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the YHvH saves.]
because he will save his people from their sins.”


"YHvH saves" as in Psalm 118-14 is Yahoshua

followed by "He saves" in the same verse which yields Y'shua

Our hope is in Y'shua HaMashiach ( Jesus the Christ )
or the anointed one who is YHvH who has become our salvation.

If we look into the Holy Word of G-d , we find:

Psalm 92:15 ..... "YHvH is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him."

and

Psalm 118-14 YHvH is my strength and song, And He(YHvH) has become my salvation(Y'shua).

But

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is Elohym, YHvH is one!

and repeated by Y'shua in Mark(Peter)

Mark 12:29 Y'shua answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR Elohym IS ONE('echad) YHvH;


Echad means one as in "one flesh" as in :
Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

732 posted on 05/30/2008 10:33:27 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Judith Anne
Yod He Voh He are the four letters that make up the name God gave to Moses

Not exactly -- God said, "Ehiyeh asher ehiyeh" (I'm just going phonetically here) -- without getting into the grammar, "I am Who am." The tetragrammaton (yod, he, vav and he) is the third person form corresponding to "Ehiyeh," which is first person, though the form is used in direct address in the OT. Of course, it's read "Adonai" (Lord in small caps in the KJV and others). Orthodox Jews won't even use "Adonai" except in prayer -- they read "ha-Shem" (the Name).

767 posted on 05/30/2008 10:56:07 AM PDT by maryz
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