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Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System (Open)
Grace To You ^ | Exact date unknown | John F. MacArthur

Posted on 05/17/2008 6:30:09 PM PDT by e.Shubee

John F. MacArthur is no ordinary evangelical. I think that there is something special about him because of the unusual excellence of his book  The Gospel According to Jesus. I consider that book to be the finest exposition on the gospel ever written.

The most surprising thing about John MacArthur is his wide acceptance, given that he believes in the true gospel and takes a strong stand on the historic Protestant understanding of Roman Catholicism. Consider his protestant message, Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System, delivered shortly after the death of Pope John Paul II, and see if you can either respect or refute his statements.

http://www.bereanbeacon.org/audio_video/UnmaskingThePope.mp3


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History
KEYWORDS: catholicism; christians; johnmacarthur; pope
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To: rogator; Religion Moderator
Having heard things regarding Klanish anti-Catholic propaganda so common many years ago from older relatives, I would tend to agree with you. I would appreciate it if the Religion Moderator would pull this obviously hate filled thread. I am surprised and appalled that it has not been pulled earlier.

I completely agree. FR has got to get a handle on this anti-Catholic stuff or the forum will become a haven for every vicious malcontent Catholic-hater on the internet.

As with children, when you fail to punish bad behavior, you are guaranteed to get worse behavior and more of it.

I'm a long time FReeper who will be celebrating my 10th anniversary later this year. I have NEVER seen things this bad on the religion forum. Whatever the mods are doing to get a handle on things is clearly not working.

In my opinion, the Left is using theological differences among Christians to divide us politically. Places like FR become prime territories to sow division and trolls have gotten savvy enough to be able to play the game.

In my opinion, many of the most strident Catholic-haters probably aren't even Evangelicals at all--they're leftist trolls in deep cover with a mission to sew division and hatred among Christians.

The fact that threads like this one aren't immediately deleted are proof that they are succeeding.
221 posted on 05/22/2008 9:52:46 AM PDT by Antoninus (Siblings are the greatest gift parents give their children.)
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To: Antoninus
Again, the thread types on the Religion Forum are as follows:

Prayer threads are closed to debate of any kind.

Devotional threads are closed to debate of any kind.

Caucus threads are closed to any poster who is not a member of the caucus. If it says “Catholic Caucus” and you are not Catholic, do not post to the thread. However, if the poster of the caucus invites you, I will not boot you from the thread. The “caucus” article and posts must not compare beliefs or speak in behalf of a belief outside the caucus.

Ecumenic threads are closed to all “anti” arguments. Posters may express the beliefs they are “for” but not those they are “against.” They may also ask questions. Posters who try to tear down other’s beliefs – or use subterfuge to accomplish the same goal – are the disrupters on ecumenic threads and will be booted from the thread and/or suspended. Do not “pick at scabs” by mentioning prior “open” threads. If you need to make a point previously made on an “open” thread, summarize it anew.

Open threads are a town square – posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other's beliefs. They may ridicule, similar to the Smoky Backroom with the exception that a poster must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

If you are offended by "open" threads, then stay away from them. There are plenty of other threads for you.

Every poster has a voice on the Religion Forum.

223 posted on 05/22/2008 10:03:58 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: rogator

Leave the thread.


225 posted on 05/22/2008 10:04:49 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Iscool

Where is “mob rule”. I don’t believe such a position can be ascribed to Catholic posters.

No Protestant FReeper can factually say that h/her “free speech” has been curtailed here.

Justice is mine, says the Lord. He who knows hearts will know how to apply His justice.

No Protestant poster can factually assert that there is not justice on this forum.

Responses from Catholics—yes.

Rebuttals from Catholics—yes.

Defense of the Catholic faith—yes.

But Catholics are not attempting mob rule, suppression of speech or distortion of justice.


230 posted on 05/22/2008 10:17:50 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: sandyeggo
Having a claim removed because it is offensive, silly, outrageous, uninformed, gibberish, illogical or whatever is not a valid debate technique.

Debunk the claim on thread.

232 posted on 05/22/2008 10:32:34 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; sandyeggo; Running On Empty; Petronski
You should at least require that a transcript of the Audio be posted with this nonsense as well.

I listened to some of it,and it is ridiculous and historically inaccurate.

Did you even listen to ALL OF IT? Be Honest?

If Not ,I would think it be your duty as RM to do so and at least require written back up on such divisive inaccuracies to allow us to prove it wrong without having to endure this offense man

233 posted on 05/22/2008 10:33:50 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: e.Shubee
Jesus prayed that His followers might be one

The closer they follow him, the closer they are to one another. Those who follow him passionately in spirit are one. It doesn't have to do with theological quibbles, liturgical disputes, or labels.

Someday this will be widely realized, and that is what ecumenism is all about.

234 posted on 05/22/2008 10:40:35 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Religion Moderator
If you are easily offended, you must stay off the "open" threads and instead post to the prayer, devotional, caucus or ecumenic threads.

Easily offended? That’s funny. That’s OK, I can deal with these types.

235 posted on 05/22/2008 10:40:54 AM PDT by pegleg
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To: stfassisi; e.Shubee

If either of you want to post a transcript, then have at it.


236 posted on 05/22/2008 10:42:11 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
It should be required by you as RM if the TITLE is offensive.

Have you listened to it or not?

237 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:28 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: e.Shubee
About a billion years ago, when 50sDad was young and in college, he was an avid D&D player. There was a cartoon in the Dungeonmaster's Manual that featured two adventurers beating the tar out of each other with blunt weapons.

"Wait!" says the Magic User. "This argument is completely pointless!"

"It better be!" exclaims one of the bloodied combatants, "We're both clerics!"

If a man believes in the Trinity, and believes that Jesus is the sole, complete, and perfect price of our Salvation from the pit, then he is my brother. All other arguments created by Screwtape and his ilk are like dandelion blossoms; they may occupy me for a time, but only seek to draw me away from the core truths of my Savior. If Christ could be the price for Jew and Gentile alike, he can certainly be the price for Catholic and Protestant, despite the other differences of opinion we share.

Those who seek to promote disagreement between these two branches of my family are doing it for the obvious reasons of blinding us to our unity, and turning us from the intelligent consideration of how we will together protect our Ship of State from those who want all Christians enslaved or dead.

I rebuke you, Wormwood; go talk to the Reverend Wright...he might be interested in what you have to say.

238 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:40 AM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: Campion
Given a choice between the KJV and e.g., the NIV, or one of the many banal "dumbed-down easy-to-read kinda-like-the-Bible" translations, I'd take the KJV any day.

AMEN!

239 posted on 05/22/2008 11:14:25 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: sandyeggo; AnalogReigns
The Queen of England, when she wasn't busy killing Catholics, was rounding up the Catholic Douai Bible:

Every corner of [England] was searched for those books - the ports were laid for them, Paul's Cross is witness of burning many of them, the Prince's proclamation was procured against them; in the universities by sovereign authority colleges, chambers, studies, closets, coffers and desks were ransacked for them.

Alice Hogge, God's Secret Agents: Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of the Gunpowder Plot, p. 177

It is a rather incovenient truth for those who would describe catholics as anti-biblical. The fact of the matter is that the real differences are sola scriptura, grace alone and the nature of priesthood and the sacraments and the like.

When we continue to stir the pot on things that are simply distortions, we give the impression of being motivated by tactics rather than fidelity. These discussions need to move on past false allegations and into deeper understanding in a spirit of Christian unity and charity.

240 posted on 05/22/2008 11:28:35 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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