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The Hypocrisy of Catholic Answers [Mormons taking 150.000 Catholics a year?]
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2008/05/hypocrisy-of-catholic-answers.html ^
| 10 May, 2008
| Carrie at Beggars All
Posted on 05/10/2008 9:14:50 AM PDT by Ottofire
I had to break my hiatus to share two interesting campaigns by Catholic Answers.
It appears from the two campaigns that the Catholic Church has a problem: the majority of Catholics are ignorant of their faith and susceptible to a variety of prey including Mormons, liberal Catholics, homosexuals and the dreaded “anti-Catholics”. In fact, according to Catholic Answers, the Mormons have been quite successful in gaining Catholic converts:
“Many people have been doing just that—especially Catholics. In fact, in recent years the majority of converts to Mormonism have been Catholics.
It makes sense, when you think about it.
Catholics are targeted by Mormons because many Catholics can be swayed easily by Mormon arguments. That’s because many Catholics don’t know their own faith.”
...With all the talk in the media about Mormonism, more and more people are curious about Mormonism and are visiting Mormon web sites.
But these web sites are deceptive. They do not explain the true beliefs of Mormonism. They try to convince readers that Mormonism is a Christian faith—in fact, the true Christian faith!
As one Mormon web site put it, “Mormonism is the religion most consistent with biblical Christianity. We do not apologize for our beliefs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true Christian church on the face of the earth.”
The problem is … people fall for it—especially Catholics.
In fact, Mormons count Catholics as their main target.
Over half of the current converts to Mormonism are Catholics.
Mormons target Catholics who don’t know their faith.
Sadly, that’s the majority of our fellow Catholics. They’ve been nearly defenseless against Mormon propaganda.
...With our new special report on Mormonism, we can “inoculate” Catholics from the half-truths and skewed history presented by Mormon missionaries.
By getting this report into the hands of Catholics all across America, we can bolster the faith of Catholics and keep them from leaving the Church."
-Why Catholics are easy targetsfor Mormon evangelists
Toward the end of the article, some interesting facts are mentioned:
“FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (That’s 800 a day—or another million every three years.) Half are former Catholics.”
...P.S. The Mormon religion is not what is styles itself to be. Even our Protestant brethren agree that Mormonism is non-Christian. And yet, Mormonism is flourishing in America.
Mormons especially target poorly-catechized Catholics. (Worldwide, Catholics make up half the converts to Mormonism.)”
If those facts are true, that’s a loss of half a million Catholics over three years. I’m too busy right now to look up membership statistics, but that seems like a pretty good bleed just to Mormonism alone. And it must be a concerning loss, for Catholic Answers is willing to appeal to the opinion of their “Protestant brethren” for support against Mormonism while throwing this same “brethren” under the bus in the next campaign.
The next threat to the ignorant Catholic masses (and the second need for an “inoculation”) is the “one-two punch” of homosexual activists and “radical anti-Catholics” at World Youth Day:
“And it’s what our Catholic youth will be facing when they go to see the Pope at World Youth Day in July.
In fact, our Catholic youth are facing a “one-two punch.”
On one hand, there will be the homosexual activists promoting the “gay rights” agenda, and then there will be the radical anti-Catholics—who always descend upon World Youth Day like birds of prey.
...How do I know this?
Because this is exactly what the anti-Catholics have done at every World Youth Day for fifteen years now—since 1993.
They print slick propaganda pieces designed to look like Catholic literature, if you judge by the covers. They hand these pamphlets out by the thousands to unsuspecting Catholic youth.
But inside is the worst anti-Catholic propaganda you’ve ever seen.
Using clever but deceptive arguments for which the anti-Catholics are famous, these slick propaganda pieces get the reader to doubt many of our most important Catholic beliefs and practices,”
...This started in 1993, in Denver, Colorado. We were there—and we created a special little booklet about the Catholic faith, designed to inoculate our Catholic youth against anti-Catholic propaganda.
...Any time you have swarms of Catholic students in one place, there are bound to be tens-of- thousands that aren’t well-catechized and don’t have a proper understanding of the issues.
Thus, they’re highly vulnerable to slick propaganda—not only from anti-Catholic Protestants and dissident Catholics, but this time from the radical homosexual activists too.
...P.S. With your help, we can thwart the anti-Catholics and the homosexual activists at World Youth Day—and help make this event a glorious one for the Church and for the salvation of souls.”
-Sydney or Sodom?
Note the hypocrisy of Catholic Answers when comparing the two “P.S.”s of the two campaigns. In the first campaign Protestants are brethren whose opinion is consulted, in the second they are “anti-Catholics” with “slick propaganda” that must be thwarted. I have seen this conflicting attitude many times so it is worth pointing out.
In both articles, Catholic Answers is looking for donations as they “simply don’t have that much money right now. In fact, we don’t really have any of it”. So the issues for Catholic Answers and the Church seem to be manifold: an large population of Catholics ignorant of their faith, a slow bleed of Catholics to Mormonism, the continued threat of homosexuals, liberals, and Protestants, and a lack of funds to do much about any of it. While I do lament Catholic youth being duped by people with liberal sexual agendas and Catholics falling into the further apostasy of Mormonism, I am glad to see Catholic Answers reveal their hypocritical motivations in sometimes calling Protestants their brethren. Protestants who are sympathetic to Catholicism should be paying attention to this.
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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: catholic; ctr; lds; mormons
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To: JRochelle
If the LDS church has such a high rate of inactivity, they wouldn’t be creating over 350 Wards or congregations every year. That’s nearly 1 a day. Why spend so much money on an empty building?
Here is an interesting look at the growth of the Church worldwide up to the year 2004.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_7qTaGejuY
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:07:09 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: Ottofire
I think you might have misread many of the LDS on these threads. We’ve always stated we’re not Orthodox Christians. What we have a problem with is the “ownership” of Jesus by the trinity bunch.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:09:08 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: sevenbak
I have seen what converting souls is like in the third world. I know how it goes, they attend for a while and are baptized. Then when the first trial comes along, they are done.
I am not doubting your numbers about new wards etc. I am just stating fact about third world conversions.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:12:41 PM PDT
by
JRochelle
(Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
To: DManA
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:13:59 PM PDT
by
JRochelle
(Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
To: TheDon
Africa too. It’s exploding over there.
But you are right, Europe is not.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:20:59 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: Alex Murphy
Utah was the only state where Bill Clinton in came in 3rd place. While you will find a few Democrat LDS, it's rare.
Harry Reid is a piece of work!
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:22:40 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: TASMANIANRED
Posthumous baptism is not part of those records. How could it be done? Just because an earthly baptism takes place, we have no way to know wither or not the ordinance was accepted by that soul on the other side.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:26:09 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: sevenbak
Posthumous baptism is not part of those records. How could it be done? Just because an earthly baptism takes place, we have no way to know wither or not the ordinance was accepted by that soul on the other side. Bears repeating. BUT, if someone is baptized mormon, disappears from sight for 50 years, is it NOT true that their name is kept on the membership rolls and counted in the membership statistics until that person would be 110..or is it 113? Regardless of whether that person has joined another church?
If you dispute this, please post the official source for the dispute. Thanks
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:29:18 PM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Plea to mormon FReepers, "DONT HOSE ME, BRO!")
To: humblegunner
Wrong group. Young boys are cast our of the FLDS because they are considered competition.
Young boys in the LDS faith end up being heavily involved in the Boy Scouts, and other youth activities within the LDS community. The LDS BSA program is one of the largest in the Nation.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:37:47 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: elcid1970
I think your posts are dipped in pig grease too.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:38:33 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: JRochelle
Yes, I agree with you. Careful not to let the branch grow faster than the root has strength.
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posted on
05/10/2008 5:39:56 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: Enosh
To: sevenbak
You misunderstand..
The question isn’t one of validity but of numbers.
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posted on
05/10/2008 6:19:54 PM PDT
by
TASMANIANRED
(TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
To: JRochelle
‘Cause as a Christian baptized in a Lutheran church, I could join the Catholic church without being re-baptized. And vice versa. In fact that’s true with most Protestant churchs. Wonder what makes Mormons so different?
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posted on
05/10/2008 6:30:34 PM PDT
by
DManA
To: All
I can speak for myself and at least a dozen I know personally like me....
When we were growing up, in an Catholic Italian neighborhood, and we had any questions about the Catholic faith we were told “because I said so” and “God will send you to hell if you don’t” and things like that or we got a clip in the back of the head for asking. These were not silly or pita questions, but serious questions about why we believe as we do and anything we might have found to be contradictory. Well, stuff like that might work for a kid of 7 or 9, but not for teenagers or young adults.
We were baptized, made communion and then confirmation pretty much because we were told to. We did not get money back then. We got a bible with our name printed in gold or a medallion with the Lord’s Prayer or a special set of rosary beads. Oh yea, and a new outfit.
as I said... I know at least a dozen ppl like me.. baptism, communion and confirmation... and never really bother with church except for holiday’s and occasions. And then, only because we are supposed to.
As an adult, I know dozens of Catholics, only about 3 of which go to church on a regular basis. I can see how other faiths can see ppl like this as prime pickings for conversion.
It is not my intention to insult, inflame or upset anyone or their faith. Just wanted to put forth my experience for consideration.
To: TASMANIANRED
No, I didn't misunderstand. Proxy baptisms are not counted among the 300k per year and 13 million members.
Living and breathing only.
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posted on
05/10/2008 6:36:53 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
To: Ottofire
Out of one bad belief in to another bad belief
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posted on
05/10/2008 6:46:38 PM PDT
by
1Truthseeker
(willfully ignorant in Greek means dumb on purpose.)
To: DManA
Its the theology. And they don’t believe in the Trinity.
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posted on
05/10/2008 6:50:34 PM PDT
by
JRochelle
(Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
To: TASMANIANRED
http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_2890645
“By multiplying the number of members in each area by these fractions, David G. Stewart Jr. estimates worldwide activity at about 35 percent - which would give the church about 4 million active members.
Stewart, an active Mormon who served a mission to Russia in the early 1990s, has been conducting research on LDS missionary work in 20 countries for 13 years, examining census figures, and analyzing published data.
Take Brazil. In its 2000 Census, 199,645 residents identified themselves as LDS, while the church listed 743,182 on its rolls.”
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posted on
05/10/2008 7:22:17 PM PDT
by
ansel12
(Unfortunately, son, we 'Utahans' sometimes have to bend the rules a little in order to hold our own.)
To: DManA; JRochelle
Mormonism is a unique religion of it’s own, it does not recognize any Christian baptism whatsoever, but of course Christianity does not accept Mormonism’s “baptism” either.
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posted on
05/10/2008 7:27:18 PM PDT
by
ansel12
(Unfortunately, son, we 'Utahans' sometimes have to bend the rules a little in order to hold our own.)
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