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The Hypocrisy of Catholic Answers [Mormons taking 150.000 Catholics a year?]
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| 10 May, 2008
| Carrie at Beggars All
Posted on 05/10/2008 9:14:50 AM PDT by Ottofire
I had to break my hiatus to share two interesting campaigns by Catholic Answers.
It appears from the two campaigns that the Catholic Church has a problem: the majority of Catholics are ignorant of their faith and susceptible to a variety of prey including Mormons, liberal Catholics, homosexuals and the dreaded “anti-Catholics”. In fact, according to Catholic Answers, the Mormons have been quite successful in gaining Catholic converts:
“Many people have been doing just that—especially Catholics. In fact, in recent years the majority of converts to Mormonism have been Catholics.
It makes sense, when you think about it.
Catholics are targeted by Mormons because many Catholics can be swayed easily by Mormon arguments. That’s because many Catholics don’t know their own faith.”
...With all the talk in the media about Mormonism, more and more people are curious about Mormonism and are visiting Mormon web sites.
But these web sites are deceptive. They do not explain the true beliefs of Mormonism. They try to convince readers that Mormonism is a Christian faith—in fact, the true Christian faith!
As one Mormon web site put it, “Mormonism is the religion most consistent with biblical Christianity. We do not apologize for our beliefs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true Christian church on the face of the earth.”
The problem is … people fall for it—especially Catholics.
In fact, Mormons count Catholics as their main target.
Over half of the current converts to Mormonism are Catholics.
Mormons target Catholics who don’t know their faith.
Sadly, that’s the majority of our fellow Catholics. They’ve been nearly defenseless against Mormon propaganda.
...With our new special report on Mormonism, we can “inoculate” Catholics from the half-truths and skewed history presented by Mormon missionaries.
By getting this report into the hands of Catholics all across America, we can bolster the faith of Catholics and keep them from leaving the Church."
-Why Catholics are easy targetsfor Mormon evangelists
Toward the end of the article, some interesting facts are mentioned:
“FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (That’s 800 a day—or another million every three years.) Half are former Catholics.”
...P.S. The Mormon religion is not what is styles itself to be. Even our Protestant brethren agree that Mormonism is non-Christian. And yet, Mormonism is flourishing in America.
Mormons especially target poorly-catechized Catholics. (Worldwide, Catholics make up half the converts to Mormonism.)”
If those facts are true, that’s a loss of half a million Catholics over three years. I’m too busy right now to look up membership statistics, but that seems like a pretty good bleed just to Mormonism alone. And it must be a concerning loss, for Catholic Answers is willing to appeal to the opinion of their “Protestant brethren” for support against Mormonism while throwing this same “brethren” under the bus in the next campaign.
The next threat to the ignorant Catholic masses (and the second need for an “inoculation”) is the “one-two punch” of homosexual activists and “radical anti-Catholics” at World Youth Day:
“And it’s what our Catholic youth will be facing when they go to see the Pope at World Youth Day in July.
In fact, our Catholic youth are facing a “one-two punch.”
On one hand, there will be the homosexual activists promoting the “gay rights” agenda, and then there will be the radical anti-Catholics—who always descend upon World Youth Day like birds of prey.
...How do I know this?
Because this is exactly what the anti-Catholics have done at every World Youth Day for fifteen years now—since 1993.
They print slick propaganda pieces designed to look like Catholic literature, if you judge by the covers. They hand these pamphlets out by the thousands to unsuspecting Catholic youth.
But inside is the worst anti-Catholic propaganda you’ve ever seen.
Using clever but deceptive arguments for which the anti-Catholics are famous, these slick propaganda pieces get the reader to doubt many of our most important Catholic beliefs and practices,”
...This started in 1993, in Denver, Colorado. We were there—and we created a special little booklet about the Catholic faith, designed to inoculate our Catholic youth against anti-Catholic propaganda.
...Any time you have swarms of Catholic students in one place, there are bound to be tens-of- thousands that aren’t well-catechized and don’t have a proper understanding of the issues.
Thus, they’re highly vulnerable to slick propaganda—not only from anti-Catholic Protestants and dissident Catholics, but this time from the radical homosexual activists too.
...P.S. With your help, we can thwart the anti-Catholics and the homosexual activists at World Youth Day—and help make this event a glorious one for the Church and for the salvation of souls.”
-Sydney or Sodom?
Note the hypocrisy of Catholic Answers when comparing the two “P.S.”s of the two campaigns. In the first campaign Protestants are brethren whose opinion is consulted, in the second they are “anti-Catholics” with “slick propaganda” that must be thwarted. I have seen this conflicting attitude many times so it is worth pointing out.
In both articles, Catholic Answers is looking for donations as they “simply don’t have that much money right now. In fact, we don’t really have any of it”. So the issues for Catholic Answers and the Church seem to be manifold: an large population of Catholics ignorant of their faith, a slow bleed of Catholics to Mormonism, the continued threat of homosexuals, liberals, and Protestants, and a lack of funds to do much about any of it. While I do lament Catholic youth being duped by people with liberal sexual agendas and Catholics falling into the further apostasy of Mormonism, I am glad to see Catholic Answers reveal their hypocritical motivations in sometimes calling Protestants their brethren. Protestants who are sympathetic to Catholicism should be paying attention to this.
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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: catholic; ctr; lds; mormons
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Really I see no problem with complaining about evangelizing on one hand and ecumenicalism on the other. That just shows the problem of calling people brothers when there is no common foundation between you and them.
Mostly posted for the fact that the Mormon church is eating away so many Catholics that Catholic Answers is making a special campaign. 150,000 a year is big. Since most Mormons are from the US, I assume that most of that is here.
Just asking.
Oh, and Mormons, please do not resort to the same name calling, such as using the term ANTI-Catholic, that the Catholics do. Playing the victim card is so, well, progressive.
From the Catholic Answers fund drive sheet found in the article:
What Catholics Dont Know Can Hurt Them
Think the Mormons are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think ag ain.[sic]
Think the Mormons are just a slightly eccentric offshoot of traditional Protestant Christianity? Think again.
Think Mormons are actually Christian, accepting the core doctrines of Christianity? Think again!
The truth is that Mormonism is far different from what most people think it is.
Boy, Karl, tell us how the Mormons are not nice folks then...SHEESH! I don't say the same thing about any other religion, and I have been labeled many different "Anti-"this and "Anti-" that.
Again from the CA sheet:
Mormon doctrines have changedoften.
Mormons dropped some of their unpopular teachings in order to clean up their public image and appeal to more Americans.
Like the Catholic traditions of forced conversion, inquisition and crusade?
Ecumenicalism is stupid period. Getting caught preaching telling people that Mormons are NOT a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Well Karl Keating, I think you owe a bunch of people an apology!
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:14:51 AM PDT
by
Ottofire
To: restornu
You might find this interesting.
If you do, maybe you know others who will also find this interesting.
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:29:21 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
( Jesus is the Christ)
To: Ottofire
Hmmm ~ did someone hear something about the possibility McCain may have a Catholic in mind to be VP?
That's the sort of thing that stirs the pot and gives us articles like this.
Still, only 150,000 per year? I thought the Mormons were draining off half a mil or more. That's right up there with the Pentecostals.
At the same time the RCs are bringing in their fair share of Episcopaleans and Lutherans these days.
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:30:17 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: Ottofire
Go to www.exmormom.org and learn much, much more.
Especially learn what the LDS authorities have to say about the Catholic Church (aka “The Great and Abominable Church” according to Mormon teachings).
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:32:33 AM PDT
by
elcid1970
(My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
To: Ottofire
This is correct.
We have a neighborhood child making his “first communion” today. We are invited to the party following.
All the kid can talk about is how much money he will get, not one word about Jesus or faith.
This is why the Catholic church has fallen into 2nd place behind Islam as the largest religion.
To: Ottofire
Mormons especially target poorly-catechized Catholics. "Poorly-catechized Catholics" is yet another "wonderful" (/sarcasm) outcome of Vatican II. Prior to the Second Vatican Council most Catholics were far more knowledgeable about their faith. Many of the older Catholics still are, of course, as well as younger members who undertake a traditional course of study.
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:39:44 AM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
To: Ottofire
In fact, Mormons count Catholics as their main target.
Over half of the current converts to Mormonism are Catholics.
Mormons target Catholics who dont know their faith.
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As a member, I see no one group “targeted”.
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:44:50 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
( Jesus is the Christ)
To: Ottofire
Mormons are generally nice conservative people but I’ve found that they know very little about their history and they parrot lies about the council of Nicaea that would make Dan Brown proud while making the charlatan Joseph Smith into a martyr. What I can not understand is how so many otherwise good people can participate in the soiling the word of God with the cut and paste ramblings of the con-man Joseph Smith. It is horrible and it is unnecessary. It is like icing a perfectly good cake with manure. Redemption does not require sci-fi beliefs about God originating on a planet in a star system far far away. I suspect that many are drawn to the Mormon faith exactly because of the sci-fi aspect to it. Also I think that given the claim that the book of Mormon was translated from golden plates supplied by an angel that one would expect such word for word translation from tablets sent by God directly to be of a considerably higher quality than what we find which is an amalgam of gobbly-gook some of which appears copied directly from the King James bible. How much more clearly does the concept of forgery and fakery need to be? It preys on ignorance and it is sad that so many Christians know very little of the sacrifice beyond the cross of early Christians that they are willing to accept almost anything sold by door to door Jesus salesmen who do not spread the word of God but instead a heresy that does not increase the appreciation for the sacrifice and redemption of the cross but instead appeals to the prurient desires of humanity for secret knowledge and conspiracies.
We do not need to add layers of crud to Jesus’s message. It does not need to be jazzed up. We do not need a special seer stone, divination, or even demon warding underwear to receive the grace of God. What we need is a closet to kneel in which to present the ugliness of our sin to God and ask for forgiveness and then if we so choose we can enjoy a good sci-fi movie or sell some Amway or Mary kay to our neighbors.
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:50:17 AM PDT
by
Maelstorm
(Never confuse polite defferment for submission.)
To: ears_to_hear
Quite a generalization to make based on one seven-year-old. Life must be very simple for you.
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:51:30 AM PDT
by
maryz
To: Ottofire
Since this is a posting to help Catholic's by a Catholic, I will not go line by line to show the misconceptions about “us Mormons”.
Please, look for yourself.
Thank you
fred
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posted on
05/10/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
( Jesus is the Christ)
To: maryz
Life is simple, Jesus is Lord..
This young boy exemplifies what faith and Christ mean in his home.
That is the problem that leads to our very Catholic area being fertile ground for Mormons and JWs and Scientology.
To: steve86
>Mormons especially target poorly-catechized Catholics.
>”Poorly-catechized Catholics” is yet another “wonderful” (/sarcasm) outcome of Vatican II. Prior to the Second Vatican Council most Catholics were far more knowledgeable about their faith. Many of the older Catholics still are, of course, as well as younger members who undertake a traditional course of study.
This always makes me say “hmmm.” You have an infallible teaching that is leading people astray? Why is this better than Sola Scriptura? No one seems to agree what Vat II really means, so do we need a further infallible interpretation of that teaching?
Asking in truth...
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:02:24 AM PDT
by
Ottofire
(Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
To: Ottofire
Since most Mormons are from the US, I assume that most of that is here. Actually, not too long ago, the total number of Mormons in other countries surpassed the number of US Mormons. Much of that growth has been in South American countries and other predominantly Catholic countries so, that would be why so many Catholics are converted. There's no particular emphasis on converting Catholics its just the LDS church has found more success there than in other countries for whatever reason.
As to the rest of your posting, no, we are not traditional Christians. We believe that the church the Christ built when he was here on Earth, fell away. We believe we are a restoration of that church.
We also believe that all Christian churches have most of the truth, and many non-Christian faiths have much of God's truth as well, but many of the doctrines and teachings of the original Christian faith, in our opinion, have been influenced and colored by the interpretations of well intentioned but fallible men.
We are all imperfect and we all sin so, without direct revelation from God, as the prophets of the Bible received, man is left to perceive God's will through his own, limited understanding. As a result, error was introduced into Christ's teachings. Again, according to our opinion.
To: fproy2222
>Since this is a posting to help Catholic’s by a Catholic, I will not go line by line to show the misconceptions about us Mormons.
>Please, look for yourself.
>Thank you
>fred
Sorry, but no thanks for the ecumenical spirit, for I do not believe that we should call brother those that follow false teachings. However, I understand the spirit and can appreciate that, but I am NOT Catholic, (labeled Anti-Catholic, actually, as well as Anti- Mormon) and the article is NOT about helping Catholics.
Otto
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:07:01 AM PDT
by
Ottofire
(Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
To: Reaganesque
Sir, I wish to meet you and shake your hand! A LD Saint that actually can say they are not traditional Christian is a rare bird! Thank you!
I was not aware that there were more LDS outside the US than in. Does this mean we are going to start getting LDS illegals across the border?
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:09:58 AM PDT
by
Ottofire
(Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
To: Ottofire; greyfoxx39; Elsie
the majority of Catholics are ignorant of their faith and susceptible to a variety of prey including Mormons, liberal Catholics, homosexuals Oh boy.
Are you in for it now.
Here comes the LDS Warriors.
(In my opinion), they are going to attempt to smear you for posting this.
Get ready.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:11:20 AM PDT
by
SkyPilot
("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
To: Ottofire; Grig; fproy2222; lady lawyer; TheDon; sevenbak; Utah Girl
Mormons dropped some of their unpopular teachings in order to clean up their public image and appeal to more
****
That is the opposition spin there is no image to clean up the LDS have been consistent sense its beginning.
Many refuse to acknowledge the LDS doctrines and want to judge them by the Traditions of Men which is not the Lord way of doing things.
Mormon doctrines have changedoften.
****
The foundation of the LDS doctrine has not changed but as the clarification has become clearer as we receive line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.
As the LDS receives more insight so has the mainstream adapted to defend the Tradition of Men doctrine.
I am a personal observer of those changes.
As part of the mainstream for 38 years I have watch the changes in their community.
There was a time when all mainstream faith fought amongst each other.
Catholic and Jews fought physically in the early days.
Protestants and Catholic fought physically in the early days.
The fact is it took about 150 years to ratify the Nicene Creed and hasnt it changed again and some other faiths did away with their Apostle Creed?
Also SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL the 16 Documents
http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V2ALL.HTM
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:16:14 AM PDT
by
restornu
(The Opposition spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
To: Ottofire
FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (Thats 800 a dayor another million every three years.) Half are former Catholics.Is that in the US or worldwide?
And are we talking about actually living, breathing people?
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:18:38 AM PDT
by
x
To: Ottofire
I am NOT Catholic, (labeled Anti-Catholic, actually, as well as Anti- Mormon) and the article is NOT about helping Catholics.
+++
Then this will help you.
“Anti-Catholicism is as old as the Reformation. Martin Luther himself referred to the popes collectively as the whore of the devil. (Vogel, 59 and Wright, 2:568.) Adam Clarkes popular nineteenth-century Bible commentary equated the great whore that sitteth upon many waters (Rev. 17:1) with the Catholic Church. (Vogel, 60.) Some early nineteenth-century Protestant writings referred to the Roman Catholic Church as the whore and the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. (Ibid.) Yet other religious figures of the day believed that not only were Catholics part of the the whore, but so were competing Protestants. (Ibid., 61.)”
from: http://www.mormonfortress.com/ga.html
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:24:47 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
( Jesus is the Christ)
To: ears_to_hear
That is the truth, some good friends of mine whose son just finished Catechism had a similar outlook, when I offered him 10 dollars if he could tell me anything that he learned, his reply was “Jesus loves me”.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:25:12 AM PDT
by
padre35
(Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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