Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[Tennessee Nana]

Joseph Smith’s face shining brighter that the sun? I thought that was God’s role...
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The mormons are always trying to equate the vagabond criminal false prophet Joseph Smith with Jesus the Righteous, the Son of God...

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. Matthew 17:1, 2

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. Revelation 1:17

[Elsie]

Many of these folks came on here lambasting you for your verbosity, largely I believe, b/c they couldn't answer the points you made.

You 'believe' wrong, for everyone of his so called points were dealt with.

[Elsie]

The original post was in response to the unrelenting attacks & attempts to get us in the mud w/ you folks.

Joseph SMith STARTED the mud!

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19   17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!   18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.   19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”   20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

 

"Just what did Joseph Smith 'learn' to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM?"

 

 

 

There are no MORMONS on these threads that have an answer!!

 

Yet; their very LIVES & SOULS depend on it being true!

[Elsie]

I’ve made my point.

Now the rest of us will outscore you.

[ejonesie22]

Well they do have Joe as part of the path to salvation. To their credit, it is not in Jesus role, just the check point before you are allowed into his grace. And that is according to Brigham Young and others, not well known “Mormon Haters”, unless the LDS is prone to naming their major University after one of their enemies.

I am still trying to figure how that works, why after all the trouble of sending his son to simplify salvation, he would add back a step to salvation out of no where 1800 years later.

Of course there are other issues. I am still trying to get tickets for a tour of the Nephite ruins and see the Jewish Indians...

[Elsie]

The mormons are always trying to equate the vagabond criminal false prophet Joseph Smith with Jesus the Righteous, the Son of God...

THIS one??

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Or this?

      

[Godzilla]

Now the rest of us will outscore you.

Oh boy, theres a game on FR!

[Tennessee Nana]

Well they do have Joe as part of the path to salvation. To their credit, it is not in Jesus role,
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In the mormon temples they sing songs of worship about Joseph Smith..

And not about Jesus...

In fact the mormons equate the death of Joseph Smith in the Gun Fight at the Old Carthage Jail as equal to the death of Christ Jesus on the Cross..

[ejonesie22]

Oh, they do love him, and for some I think it is more than Christ himself Putting him in any role on the path to salvation is wrong.

I do love the whole “Joseph Smith died like Jesus” bit. I am still scouring the histories for mention of Jesus taking out a couple of Roman Centurions or Temple guards, maybe with a spear Matthew smuggled him...

[MHGinTN]

[Reno232]

“There are no MORMONS on these threads that have an answer!!”

Well, that's not really the truth now is it Elsie? I have answered this question for you on more than one occasion. For example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2011926/posts?page=81#81

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2011926/posts?page=94#94

Thanks for making my point about posting these things time & time again even though you've already received the answers. You often claim that no Mormon has an answer. How many times will you be caught in these lies?

BTW, just what are your thoughts after reading the following about Presbyterianism? Is it a true church in your view?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2038427/posts#comment

Also, thanks for making my point as well about this being more about the win than about truth w/ your comment about about scoring more points. This really is about the game for you folks isn't it? It's not about seriously discussing the Gospel & differences one may have, it's all about winning the game by scoring more points. Perhaps that's been the problem all along, we thought this was serious. You folks were just playing a game. Now I don't feel so bad for your mindset. We kind of had a feeling, thanks for confirming it.

Have fun at play this weekend. I'm back to play w/ my grandkid.

[SkyPilot]

Joseph Smith learned from the Lord that none of the Christian churches of the day were the TRUE church, His church. The Lord basically told the Pharisees & Sadducee's the same thing during His Ministry here on earth.

Whoa!

Stop right there.

This shows how you fail to grasp the most basic of issues.

Jesus Christ was and is GOD

By definition of the bible, Joseph Smith was a Sinful Man

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God - - - - - Romans 3:23

For you to cross so casually between God and a man who had sex with over 29 women, and even stole women who belonged to their husbands, is ridiculous - and yet you don't even GRASP why it is so!

Moreover, how dare you compare God to Smith?!

How dare you.

I know Smith felt he was greater than Christ. He said so!

I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).

Let me tell you something Reno232. Your worship of that man and his cult violates this - the very words of GOD Himself.

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:6

You think long and hard about that.

[Godzilla]

[MHGinTN]

Bwahahahaha, now THAT is my kind of submarine!

[MHGinTN]

Isn’t that the poster who claims he will not ‘get into the sandbox with you’, the same momron who kicks sand in your face then claims he’s above the fray? Yeh, I thought his insulting post ‘sounded’ familiar. Such a nice mormon don’tchaknow. Maybe we can get him a submarine, too!

[ejonesie22]

That is what I am finding so fascinating. I need no “Anti Mormon” site to get my information about how wrong the LDS is, their own works are more than enough.

[Reno232]

Once again, making my point today. There is not one thing in your post that hasn't been asked & subsequently answered several times here. Some in this very thread I believe.

And just to show how disingenuous your post could be perceived, I'll make a challenge to you on just one of your points. You claim that Joseph Smith had sex w/ over 29 women. Please provide links w/ irrefutable evidence that Joseph Smith had SEX w/ over 29 women. If you can provide irrefutable evidence that that is so, i.e. babies, DNA, etc., I will leave the board never to return. However, if you cannot, you agree to leave the board never to return. Deal?

BTW, you never answered my previous post to you, how come?

I look forward to your responses although I may not get to them until Mon. Family comes first.

[Godzilla]

May be this one?

[MHGinTN]

‘Hours and hours of adventure’ don’tchaknow!

[Godzilla]

I always wanted one when I was younger - great for the imagination - before Wii came around :0