Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[DelphiUser]

Not having my hip waders tonight, I'll just say, what a laod of Barbara Streisand!

G'Night!

[DelphiUser]

U Said: Your reality is subjective - so you have told me. My reality incorporates the objective.

Well, that's your perception, LOL!

U Said: Cute, in using the term bible, I meant the existing canon of Jewish Scripture we have as the OT. Nice opportunity for me to clarify.

Always glad to lend a hand when you've been sloppy!

U Said: Then you need to go back and revise your canned testimony from earlier, since you consistently say to only pray and read the bom. The bible is consistently an afterthought, and I don't ever recall you encouraging any one to pray to see if the bible was true in the same manner you challenge the bom.

Do a search on this very thread I have several times told people to read the Bible and pray about it.

U Said: Again, tell the boys on bikes that they are misleading the potential converts, they need to tell them that they'll receive a non-descript, subjective answer that they'll some how try to twist into a testimony. And you've never bother to tell us how your witness came - other than it is subjective.

Some will receive a burning in their bosom, some will receive a different answer, it's not a fixed formula. My answer was not subjective, it was very concrete, unmistakable and specific. I never tell you ho for a reason. You and "the posse" make so much fun of, deride and belittle what on earth could possibly tempt me to tell you something that I hold most sacred, what, are you going to offer to make that worth it?

I have told you all you need to know, I have testified of Jesus, which proves I am of God, I have encouraged all to pray about not only what I say, but whether or not to do what I say (red the Book of Mormon and pray)

The antis slander and ridicule, scratch and fight, name call, lie (it's for the lord) and in all ways try to make even discussing it with them so distasteful as to chase people away, and when some kind hearted non Mormon steps up and calls an anti on it antis attack them! Anti's behavior here has thoroughly shown their true natures and it's not a pretty picture

"Never wrestle with a pig, you get muddy, and the pig enjoys it."

[SkyPilot]

Come on DU. Stop with your games.

The man is an ex-Mormon who was in the Bishopric, wed in the Los Angeles temple, went to BYU (along with his wife), did a stint as a Mormon missionary, served as a home teacher in the LDS church, also served as an elder's quorum president, and the Stake High Council.

He isn't "mistaken" or a "liar."

The 3rd alternative (which perhaps you don't want to face) is that he is telling the truth about the LDS church, and the truth about his new relationship with Jesus Christ.

[Elsie]

Elsie, Elsie, Elsie, I quoted from Galations, it's the same book written by the same Paul, therefore it's the same Gospel.

You sure did!

And it did NOT back up your claims.

Your "quote" THIS time didn't do it either.

You must think no one actually READS your stuff!

Paul said anyone who changed the Gospel of an eternal inheritance with Christ as the reward for faithfulness, they would be accursed,

Paul said that anyone who denied that Christ was an heir of God would be accursed.

[Elsie]

I like how they were Off to Kolob around 1:30 timeline!

[Elsie]

Neither can you...

Sorry; but Nephi 14 doesn't ring true to me.

[Elsie]

As to appearing foolish, I'm willing to do that for the Lord, he's done so much for me... after you did all you could do.

[Elsie]

Hi there Mr. Pot!

[Elsie]

Got yer waders on now?

[Elsie]

The 3rd alternative (which perhaps you don't want to face) is that he is telling the truth about the LDS church, and the truth about his new relationship with Jesus Christ.

NO one who has left the Loving Embrace® of the CoJCoLDS EVER tells the truth about their experiences or learnings while a memeber.

Ever...

EVER EVER EVER!!!!!!

--MormonDude(An THAT's the TRUTH!)

[Old Mountain man]

Just like none of us ever tells the truth about our wonderful experience with the baptists (Thank you, Lord for leading me out of that den of iniquity).

[greyfoxx39]

This is why I challenged you, for if you have truly received an answer from God, you would be encouraging others to go and get that answer, and I have seen no evidence of that on this forum. your words are not consistent with your actions as I have observed human behavior to be when impacted by a revelation. So, either start acting right, or explain, or I will keep asking.

Nice try, DU, but the statement above directly challenges my testimony FROM GOD.

I challenged your anti-testimony of the Book of Mormon, not a testimony of Jesus. If I had indeed challenged your testimony of Jesus, then I would be in peril as well.

my logic still stands about your "testimony", and you never did answer the questions

As to answering questions, why would I even consider answering charges regarding my personal relationship with God from someone who has NO authority to charge, question OR challenge?

Look to your OWN "peril" as a follower of a charlatan instead of a follower of Jesus.

This exchange beautifully illuminates the hypocracy of the mormon's "challenge" to read the BOM and pray about it", by showing the attitude of mormons towards those who pray, study and receive a warning from the Holy Spirit about their false "scripture" being sold to the world.

Mormons consider them to be liars if they don't receive the message that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God.

Some "challenge" that is!

[ejonesie22]

Actually I think you have that backwards. Mormons make from scripture whatever they need to support their deviations from the linear and very cohesive history of God and Christs’ actions and words. They bend the meanings to match the needs of their extreme hard turn from that history. I am finding that all very interesting and in some ways well done as I look through their material.

So these basic concepts are not taken for granted, they are understood in truth and meaning as God intended them for the historic church. What is not understood is the mistaken interpretation made by the LDS. It is understandable why there would be misconceptions on the part of Christians over their interpretations, they are incorrect and do not match God's actions or words from the beginning of time.

[Osage Orange]

Please explain how when faced with two alternatives, I give they guy the benefit of the doubt is a new low? I guess you must think my posts so far have been really high?

It's the third alternative...that you fail to see.

And you wonder why Christians oppose mormonism, and you.

[Reno232]

That's what gets me the most, the hypocrisy. Many of these folks came on here lambasting you for your verbosity, largely I believe, b/c they couldn't answer the points you made. Now, when one of their own comes on & does likewise, not a peep. It's never about principles w/ these folks, just strategy, tactics, & the win. It doesn't matter whether they're right our wrong, it's just about winning. Don't you just love their cryptic messages, like the submarine? Again, it's not about being above board w/ everything, just the win.

Part of their strategy my friend is to continue bringing the same things up time after time after time. I don't know that there are many things in this 48 pager that haven't been said before, & many times over. Unless you just want to copy & paste any number of previous answers given on many, many occasions, I would just let this one go. You nailed it right on the head, it's filibustering, on a grand scale.

If you were to respond w/ a post w/ the length needed, you would undoubtedly drill them yet again, then they would just come back & attack you for your verbosity again. I think folks here that have been following can see the hypocrisy on their side.

There is a clear view of what their all about. I appreciate the time you've taken & believe you have served the Lord well. Go spend some time w/ your family & have a great weekend, get away from the negativity that these guys generate. I don't know how these folks can spend so much time day after day wallowing in so much negativity. They rarely, if ever, spend good positive time preaching what they believe w/o attacking others here.

It must be a very sad existence for them. That's why I don't spend that much time w/ them, too much of a downer w/ so called “Christians”. As I read the scriptures, their methods of teaching are not what Christ taught. Have a great weekend my man.

[greyfoxx39]

As I read the scriptures, their methods of teaching are not what Christ taught.
It's never about principles w/ these folks, just strategy, tactics, & the win. It doesn't matter whether they're right our wrong, it's just about winning. Don't you just love their cryptic messages, like the submarine? Again, it's not about being above board w/ everything, just the win.

Pot, meet kettle!

Whine...whine....I guess some haven't bothered to read the original post in this thread.....

We gonna HOSE you pigs!

"Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down."

What was it you said, Reno...."It's never about principles w/ these folks, just strategy, tactics, & the win??

...maybe SOME folks ought to start taking their own advice!

[ejonesie22]

Indeed...

That is what I love about irony, it is so ironic.

[Godzilla]

Do a search on this very thread I have several times told people to read the Bible and pray about it. Which results in a significantly lower number when compared to the bom. But then why should Christian pray about the Bible anyway - duh

Some will receive a burning in their bosom, some will receive a different answer, it's not a fixed formula. My answer was not subjective, it was very concrete, unmistakable and specific. I never tell you ho for a reason. You and "the posse" make so much fun of, deride and belittle what on earth could possibly tempt me to tell you something that I hold most sacred, what, are you going to offer to make that worth it?

Paul was not ashamed to testify about his experience.....

I have told you all you need to know, I have testified of Jesus, which proves I am of God, I have encouraged all to pray about not only what I say, but whether or not to do what I say (red the Book of Mormon and pray)

Yep, standard formula recited ad nauseam. Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible - you have placed your faith in a false spirit.

The antis slander and ridicule, scratch and fight, name call, lie (it's for the lord) and in all ways try to make even discussing it with them so distasteful as to chase people away, and when some kind hearted non Mormon steps up and calls an anti on it antis attack them! Anti's behavior here has thoroughly shown their true natures and it's not a pretty picture

Heaven forbid to try to lie for the Lord, that is a doctrine mormons have cornered. Disgusting and distasteful - better speak to your mormon bro OMM about that. And of course, your bloviations here are great examples of mormon obfuscation.

[Godzilla]

I like how they were Off to Kolob around 1:30 timeline!

Going boldly, dontchaknow

[SkyPilot]

As I read the scriptures, their methods of teaching are not what Christ taught.

Really? What posts and threads have you been reading?

I can give you links to post, after post, after post of Christians here who posts bible verses, give their testimony about a personal relationship with Christ, and talk about God's own words in scripture about false teaching.

It's never about principles w/ these folks, just strategy, tactics, & the win. It doesn't matter whether they're right our wrong, it's just about winning.

That sounds like an indictment of the posts from LDS Freepers like restornu, Old Mountain man, and Saundra Duffy.